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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Franz Bucher
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Non-notable artist. Lacks independent sigcov. Jdcooper ( talk) 02:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - looking at and searching the internet, he seems to have some substantial coverage from largely German language sources. He's also been described as one of the leading German wood sculptors of the 20th century. [1] - Knightoftheswords281 ( Talk · Contribs) 03:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- By the Schwarzwaelder Bote (Black Forest Messenger) on the occasion of his family donating part of his real estate to the community after his death in 1995. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 21:14, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and Switzerland. Shellwood ( talk) 07:09, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I am not finding any reliable sources to add to the biographical information presented in the article. his entry on Dewiki cannot be used to bring the subject up to notable. It was created by the same SPA in English and in German. This artist does not meet WP:NARTIST. He has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. Additionally, the second of the two references (museum stuff) failed verification. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 04:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Strong Keep per Knightoftheswords281, this artist is very notable in Germany and among wood sculptors. Randy Kryn ( talk) 10:33, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment There is more than one Franz Bucher and specifically there is a German sculptor (1928-1995) and a Swiss painter 1836-1919. A google search for "Franz Bucher artist" will bring up information about all three. Reviewers should be aware that finding an article about an artist in German isn't necessarily about the living Swiss artist. Again, I am finding no reliable sources for the information provided in this article and no way to bring the article up to notable. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 21:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Specifically presenting the sources that are suggested to exist, and evaluation of them for suitability (and, as per some comments here, making sure they're about the right person!) wouild be very helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:29, 14 June 2023 (UTC)- I can't find sourcing for him in Gscholar (only a marine/fish scholar with the same name), jstor has nothing. Will try a .ch search, see what I find.
Oaktree b (
talk) 22:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. He seems to have some works in the Geneva art Museum
[2], his biography gives the date of birth and city that match up with this fellow.
Oaktree b (
talk) 22:21, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- He's not listed in the Historik Lexicon der Schweiz [3], which is odd. That's the RS and gold standard for Swiss biographies. He's listed in SIKART [4], found from the German Wiki. He appears to have won awards and his works are held in several collections, but my German is useless. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. He seems to have some works in the Geneva art Museum
[2], his biography gives the date of birth and city that match up with this fellow.
Oaktree b (
talk) 22:21, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- I can't find sourcing for him in Gscholar (only a marine/fish scholar with the same name), jstor has nothing. Will try a .ch search, see what I find.
Oaktree b (
talk) 22:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —ScottyWong— 23:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I am not exactly overwhelmed by the quality of the available sources, but the SIKART entry (the one about him, b. 1940, authored by Fabrizio Brentini) gives some pretty solid material to work with. In addition there seems to be an (unfortunately paywalled) focused article on him in Luzerner Zeitung. Various supplementary sources here and there, and a couple of books, which I assume are mostly pictures but at least the former of which seem to be from a legitimate publisher (and as to the latter, I'm a bit unclear on this "Gisler" press from Luzern might have been, but it does seem to have found its way into some pretty fancy libraries). Overall I think it is possible to have an article on him, and therefore we should give it our best shot, although the person(s) behind these articles haven't exactly been helping. -- Visviva ( talk) 02:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Franz Bucher
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Non-notable artist. Lacks independent sigcov. Jdcooper ( talk) 02:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - looking at and searching the internet, he seems to have some substantial coverage from largely German language sources. He's also been described as one of the leading German wood sculptors of the 20th century. [1] - Knightoftheswords281 ( Talk · Contribs) 03:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- By the Schwarzwaelder Bote (Black Forest Messenger) on the occasion of his family donating part of his real estate to the community after his death in 1995. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 21:14, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and Switzerland. Shellwood ( talk) 07:09, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I am not finding any reliable sources to add to the biographical information presented in the article. his entry on Dewiki cannot be used to bring the subject up to notable. It was created by the same SPA in English and in German. This artist does not meet WP:NARTIST. He has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. Additionally, the second of the two references (museum stuff) failed verification. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 04:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Strong Keep per Knightoftheswords281, this artist is very notable in Germany and among wood sculptors. Randy Kryn ( talk) 10:33, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment There is more than one Franz Bucher and specifically there is a German sculptor (1928-1995) and a Swiss painter 1836-1919. A google search for "Franz Bucher artist" will bring up information about all three. Reviewers should be aware that finding an article about an artist in German isn't necessarily about the living Swiss artist. Again, I am finding no reliable sources for the information provided in this article and no way to bring the article up to notable. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 21:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Specifically presenting the sources that are suggested to exist, and evaluation of them for suitability (and, as per some comments here, making sure they're about the right person!) wouild be very helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:29, 14 June 2023 (UTC)- I can't find sourcing for him in Gscholar (only a marine/fish scholar with the same name), jstor has nothing. Will try a .ch search, see what I find.
Oaktree b (
talk) 22:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. He seems to have some works in the Geneva art Museum
[2], his biography gives the date of birth and city that match up with this fellow.
Oaktree b (
talk) 22:21, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- He's not listed in the Historik Lexicon der Schweiz [3], which is odd. That's the RS and gold standard for Swiss biographies. He's listed in SIKART [4], found from the German Wiki. He appears to have won awards and his works are held in several collections, but my German is useless. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. He seems to have some works in the Geneva art Museum
[2], his biography gives the date of birth and city that match up with this fellow.
Oaktree b (
talk) 22:21, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- I can't find sourcing for him in Gscholar (only a marine/fish scholar with the same name), jstor has nothing. Will try a .ch search, see what I find.
Oaktree b (
talk) 22:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —ScottyWong— 23:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I am not exactly overwhelmed by the quality of the available sources, but the SIKART entry (the one about him, b. 1940, authored by Fabrizio Brentini) gives some pretty solid material to work with. In addition there seems to be an (unfortunately paywalled) focused article on him in Luzerner Zeitung. Various supplementary sources here and there, and a couple of books, which I assume are mostly pictures but at least the former of which seem to be from a legitimate publisher (and as to the latter, I'm a bit unclear on this "Gisler" press from Luzern might have been, but it does seem to have found its way into some pretty fancy libraries). Overall I think it is possible to have an article on him, and therefore we should give it our best shot, although the person(s) behind these articles haven't exactly been helping. -- Visviva ( talk) 02:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.