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The result was redirect to Illy. Liz Read! Talk! 17:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
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WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:NOTCATALOG - Not a single source found from a BEFORE BrigadierG ( talk) 01:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Italy. BrigadierG ( talk) 01:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: I can find sources on particular models of their machines, but nothing about the company itself aside from catalogues trying to sell me one of their products. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 01:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to illy, (or just merge). When we remove the catalogue listings at the bottom, we are left with a few lines about the company. Oaktree b ( talk) 02:09, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment (but maybe a weak keep with redirect/merge as an alternative to deletion) I'm pondering if there'll ever be enough for a standalone article or if it should be merged into Illy, which is surprisingly short to me so it may fit well. Some sources I found: It must've been something I ate: moderate mention/detail of and a positive review in a food book. Longer articles/reviews in newspapers (there are more capsule/short reviews that exist): [1] & [2] (talking about repairing espresso machine using the author's Francis machine), [3] stand alone review, [4] discussion in the context of Italian artistic things and includes mention of FrancisFrancis!'s plate set. Longer reviews: A 300+ word narrative review of a FrancisFrancis! machine. Mentions/minor case studies in text books/business books: [5], [6], [7]. (Passing reference but interesting to me: FrancisFrancis! on the Will and Grace set.) Skynxnex ( talk) 02:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:05, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please voice your opinion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Illy seems to be appropriate as per above Pranesh Ravikumar ( talk) 02:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Illy. It's a high threshold for a product to warrant its own article, which is not, in my opinion, met in this instance. There is nothing lost by having a redirect to the company page, which is certainly notable. If the product has sufficient discussion in secondary sources, a small sentence would be fine on that page. However, there is nothing of significance I can see regarding this particular machine that makes a merge vote worthwhile or practicable. The contents are largely not worth copying over. — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:45, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Illy, for the reasons given above. The article as it stands needs a citation needed on almost every line, as it is full of unsupported statements. As for the "Interesting facts" section, interesting for whom? Athel cb ( talk) 08:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Illy as per ATD, totally agree with the reasons provided above. The references are insufficient for GNG/NCORP criteria in any case. HighKing ++ 12:19, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Illy. Liz Read! Talk! 17:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
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- FrancisFrancis ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:NOTCATALOG - Not a single source found from a BEFORE BrigadierG ( talk) 01:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Italy. BrigadierG ( talk) 01:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: I can find sources on particular models of their machines, but nothing about the company itself aside from catalogues trying to sell me one of their products. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 01:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to illy, (or just merge). When we remove the catalogue listings at the bottom, we are left with a few lines about the company. Oaktree b ( talk) 02:09, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment (but maybe a weak keep with redirect/merge as an alternative to deletion) I'm pondering if there'll ever be enough for a standalone article or if it should be merged into Illy, which is surprisingly short to me so it may fit well. Some sources I found: It must've been something I ate: moderate mention/detail of and a positive review in a food book. Longer articles/reviews in newspapers (there are more capsule/short reviews that exist): [1] & [2] (talking about repairing espresso machine using the author's Francis machine), [3] stand alone review, [4] discussion in the context of Italian artistic things and includes mention of FrancisFrancis!'s plate set. Longer reviews: A 300+ word narrative review of a FrancisFrancis! machine. Mentions/minor case studies in text books/business books: [5], [6], [7]. (Passing reference but interesting to me: FrancisFrancis! on the Will and Grace set.) Skynxnex ( talk) 02:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:05, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please voice your opinion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Illy seems to be appropriate as per above Pranesh Ravikumar ( talk) 02:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Illy. It's a high threshold for a product to warrant its own article, which is not, in my opinion, met in this instance. There is nothing lost by having a redirect to the company page, which is certainly notable. If the product has sufficient discussion in secondary sources, a small sentence would be fine on that page. However, there is nothing of significance I can see regarding this particular machine that makes a merge vote worthwhile or practicable. The contents are largely not worth copying over. — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:45, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Illy, for the reasons given above. The article as it stands needs a citation needed on almost every line, as it is full of unsupported statements. As for the "Interesting facts" section, interesting for whom? Athel cb ( talk) 08:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Illy as per ATD, totally agree with the reasons provided above. The references are insufficient for GNG/NCORP criteria in any case. HighKing ++ 12:19, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.