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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Forestway Shopping Centre
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fails WP:GNG. At one floor and 50 shops this is a small shopping centre with very routine coverage LibStar ( talk) 11:11, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
- Strong delete fails WP:GNG as per nomination and created by the same user who has created several other articles for similar NSW shopping centres (which have all been subjected to deletion). Ajf773 ( talk) 17:33, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 17:47, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 17:47, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
- Comment WP:BEFORE C2 states, "If the article was recently created, please consider allowing the contributors more time to develop the article." Unscintillating ( talk) 22:19, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 15:53, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 15:53, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Speedy Keep - The article was created at 8:30am and was nominated at 11am ... All on the same day!, Editors are expected to leave newly created articles for roughly a week before nominating - Nominating 3 hours after creation is just bad faith, Anywho like above this should be allowed to be improved and sourced accordingly. – Davey2010 Talk 17:46, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
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in my nomination I said there is routine coverage, and your gnews and gbooks search confirms. my nomination stands. Unscintillating has had a habit of demanding in AfDs because he will do anything to get a keep rather than arguing on actually meeting WP:N. here's another example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sturt Mall (3rd nomination). LibStar ( talk) 23:37, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
you miss my point, these sources do not establish notability. and the lack of sources proves it. I'm not withdrawing my nomination. the demands continue... LibStar ( talk) 23:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
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- none of these facts establish notability The shopping centre was owned by Arndale Property and was part of the chain. It has over 50 stores and was sold to an American company Invesco. There is no significant indepth third party coverage of this centre. It therefore fails WP:GNG. LibStar ( talk) 09:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- The article in question has not been touched since creation and that was eight days ago. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:39, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- comment read WP:SK , none of the speedy keep scenarios are applicable. Therefore speedy keep is invalid here. LibStar ( talk) 09:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- (very) weak keep without prejudice to renomination - Story in the local rag at least hints at GNG. Not quite enough on its own (needs multiple independent), but it at least verifies the basic facts and it strikes me as likely that there would be additional sources available. Tag for refimprove and wait - if not improved in (say) 1 month then by all means renominate. COMMENT - "Speedy keep" is, in this context, only intended for the most blatantly bad-faith, disruptive nominations - this is not an example. -- Yeti Hunter ( talk) 10:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - (I've collapsed the above as it all became waay too much here) - Well whilst we were all arguing over my glorious Speedy Keep !vote .... the creator hasn't touched the damn article at all, Although I did state there's no timelimit it doesn't mean the creator gets to bugger off and leave it ..... The whole point of my !vote was so that the editor could hurry up and source it but instead they've done nothing, Unfortunately my crappy laptop cannot operate 2 tabs without everything crashing so unfortuntely I can't check the sources but anywy as per LibStar & Ajf773 we may aswell get rid, Ah well remind me never to try & save an article again!. – Davey2010 Talk 23:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- You've collapsed my weak keep !vote up there. -- Yeti Hunter ( talk) 06:05, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
*Keep - I have found the source and will keep checking of more sources, it is notable as it is in the busy suburb of
Frenchs Forest. --
BugMenn (
talk) 16:30, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. not yet notable, like most small shopping centers. DGG ( talk ) 07:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
*Keep It is notable as it is in the busy suburb of
Frenchs Forest and I have found the sources. --
BugMenn (
talk) 18:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as I concur this is trivial and unconvincing with no substance, so WP:NOT clearly applies. SwisterTwister talk 15:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Shopping centers are not inherently notable and this one receives no coverage other that routine confirmations that it exists. No longer a penguin ( talk) 09:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Forestway Shopping Centre
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fails WP:GNG. At one floor and 50 shops this is a small shopping centre with very routine coverage LibStar ( talk) 11:11, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
- Strong delete fails WP:GNG as per nomination and created by the same user who has created several other articles for similar NSW shopping centres (which have all been subjected to deletion). Ajf773 ( talk) 17:33, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 17:47, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 17:47, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
- Comment WP:BEFORE C2 states, "If the article was recently created, please consider allowing the contributors more time to develop the article." Unscintillating ( talk) 22:19, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 15:53, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 15:53, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Speedy Keep - The article was created at 8:30am and was nominated at 11am ... All on the same day!, Editors are expected to leave newly created articles for roughly a week before nominating - Nominating 3 hours after creation is just bad faith, Anywho like above this should be allowed to be improved and sourced accordingly. – Davey2010 Talk 17:46, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
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in my nomination I said there is routine coverage, and your gnews and gbooks search confirms. my nomination stands. Unscintillating has had a habit of demanding in AfDs because he will do anything to get a keep rather than arguing on actually meeting WP:N. here's another example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sturt Mall (3rd nomination). LibStar ( talk) 23:37, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
you miss my point, these sources do not establish notability. and the lack of sources proves it. I'm not withdrawing my nomination. the demands continue... LibStar ( talk) 23:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
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- none of these facts establish notability The shopping centre was owned by Arndale Property and was part of the chain. It has over 50 stores and was sold to an American company Invesco. There is no significant indepth third party coverage of this centre. It therefore fails WP:GNG. LibStar ( talk) 09:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- The article in question has not been touched since creation and that was eight days ago. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:39, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- comment read WP:SK , none of the speedy keep scenarios are applicable. Therefore speedy keep is invalid here. LibStar ( talk) 09:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- (very) weak keep without prejudice to renomination - Story in the local rag at least hints at GNG. Not quite enough on its own (needs multiple independent), but it at least verifies the basic facts and it strikes me as likely that there would be additional sources available. Tag for refimprove and wait - if not improved in (say) 1 month then by all means renominate. COMMENT - "Speedy keep" is, in this context, only intended for the most blatantly bad-faith, disruptive nominations - this is not an example. -- Yeti Hunter ( talk) 10:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - (I've collapsed the above as it all became waay too much here) - Well whilst we were all arguing over my glorious Speedy Keep !vote .... the creator hasn't touched the damn article at all, Although I did state there's no timelimit it doesn't mean the creator gets to bugger off and leave it ..... The whole point of my !vote was so that the editor could hurry up and source it but instead they've done nothing, Unfortunately my crappy laptop cannot operate 2 tabs without everything crashing so unfortuntely I can't check the sources but anywy as per LibStar & Ajf773 we may aswell get rid, Ah well remind me never to try & save an article again!. – Davey2010 Talk 23:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- You've collapsed my weak keep !vote up there. -- Yeti Hunter ( talk) 06:05, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
*Keep - I have found the source and will keep checking of more sources, it is notable as it is in the busy suburb of
Frenchs Forest. --
BugMenn (
talk) 16:30, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. not yet notable, like most small shopping centers. DGG ( talk ) 07:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
*Keep It is notable as it is in the busy suburb of
Frenchs Forest and I have found the sources. --
BugMenn (
talk) 18:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as I concur this is trivial and unconvincing with no substance, so WP:NOT clearly applies. SwisterTwister talk 15:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Shopping centers are not inherently notable and this one receives no coverage other that routine confirmations that it exists. No longer a penguin ( talk) 09:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.