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The result was delete. Consensus is the arguments put forward by Uncle G are the strongest. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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A wye junction eventually more or less overrun by mining operations. No evidence that there was a "community" here. Mangoe ( talk) 02:22, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Utah. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Just as
Aragonite, Utah was not a "community" as Wikipedia falsely has it but an
aragonite mill and mine run by the Utah Calcium Products Company,
Flux, Utah and neighbouring Dolomite were not "communities" or "town"s but quarries (
dolomite is used to make flux) run by the Utah Lime and Stone Company (
Morris 1964, p. 192). And they visibly still are.
Yet more false "communities" that Wikipedia is claiming to the world. Uncle G ( talk) 09:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)Just east of Timpie Canyon is the Utah Lime and Stone Company of Dolomite and Flux. Dolomite is a lime kiln and for approximately forty years has been making lime. Flux ships limestone to Dolomite for lime and also ships flux rock to International Smelting and Refining Company at Tooele, Utah and the Kennecott mills at Magna and Garfield. Also, the flux rock is ground into fine powder and sent to Moab, Utah for use in the uranium mills. Many companies have found use for this flux rock, such as coal mines, sugar factories, construction companies and it is also used in making shingles and cement.
— Carter 1957, p. 481- Morris, H.T. (1964). "Mineral and Water Resources of Utah: Limestone and dolomite". Bulletin. 73. United States Geological Survey.
- Carter, Kate B., ed. (1957). Treasures of Pioneer History. Vol. 6. Daughters of Utah Pioneers.
- (Author) Keep The nomination here (and in other recent Utah place AfDs) seems to operate under the assumption that Flux must be a village/townsite to be notable. Flux is a place where significant mining and industry activity has occurred (and we have sources to demonstrate that), and significant human use of a place gives it a history, which makes it a subject of encyclopedic interest, even if no one lived there (and it's not clear that there was never a "company town" at this site).
Chubbles (
talk)
01:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- So why did you write "Flux is an unincorporated community"? When you write downright false information, it's easy to see it's not notable as what you call it! Maybe rewrite it to actually be accurate if you want it kept, but there are a lot of places with mining and industrial activity in the US, not a lot of which have articles.
Reywas92
Talk
16:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- I did not write anything knowingly false; part of the problem, I am seeing here, is a semantic discrepancy over what counts as an unincorporated community. I took this to be one; again, it's still not clear to me that it never was one, but I am happy to work with other editors on appropriate rewording as necessary. Chubbles ( talk) 01:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- So why did you write "Flux is an unincorporated community"? When you write downright false information, it's easy to see it's not notable as what you call it! Maybe rewrite it to actually be accurate if you want it kept, but there are a lot of places with mining and industrial activity in the US, not a lot of which have articles.
Reywas92
Talk
16:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This appears to be an industrial site. I found references to the quarry noted by Uncle G, and they put a salt plant in at Flux in the 1938 based on some newspaper results. About all else I could find were a couple references to a cafe being in the area in the 1960s. I'm not seeing any evidence that this was more than an industrial area, so WP:GNG is not met, and the coverage identified so far does not add up to WP:GNG. Hog Farm Talk 01:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Alternative proposal: given that Tooele County, Utah is larger than the state of Connecticut, are there administrative subdivisions of the County for which articles can be made? If so, I would presume that "Flux" must be located in one, and can be merged into it if such articles are created. BD2412 T 01:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The epitome of non-notability. Stifle ( talk) 10:50, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Consensus is the arguments put forward by Uncle G are the strongest. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Flux, Utah ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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A wye junction eventually more or less overrun by mining operations. No evidence that there was a "community" here. Mangoe ( talk) 02:22, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Utah. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Just as
Aragonite, Utah was not a "community" as Wikipedia falsely has it but an
aragonite mill and mine run by the Utah Calcium Products Company,
Flux, Utah and neighbouring Dolomite were not "communities" or "town"s but quarries (
dolomite is used to make flux) run by the Utah Lime and Stone Company (
Morris 1964, p. 192). And they visibly still are.
Yet more false "communities" that Wikipedia is claiming to the world. Uncle G ( talk) 09:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)Just east of Timpie Canyon is the Utah Lime and Stone Company of Dolomite and Flux. Dolomite is a lime kiln and for approximately forty years has been making lime. Flux ships limestone to Dolomite for lime and also ships flux rock to International Smelting and Refining Company at Tooele, Utah and the Kennecott mills at Magna and Garfield. Also, the flux rock is ground into fine powder and sent to Moab, Utah for use in the uranium mills. Many companies have found use for this flux rock, such as coal mines, sugar factories, construction companies and it is also used in making shingles and cement.
— Carter 1957, p. 481- Morris, H.T. (1964). "Mineral and Water Resources of Utah: Limestone and dolomite". Bulletin. 73. United States Geological Survey.
- Carter, Kate B., ed. (1957). Treasures of Pioneer History. Vol. 6. Daughters of Utah Pioneers.
- (Author) Keep The nomination here (and in other recent Utah place AfDs) seems to operate under the assumption that Flux must be a village/townsite to be notable. Flux is a place where significant mining and industry activity has occurred (and we have sources to demonstrate that), and significant human use of a place gives it a history, which makes it a subject of encyclopedic interest, even if no one lived there (and it's not clear that there was never a "company town" at this site).
Chubbles (
talk)
01:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- So why did you write "Flux is an unincorporated community"? When you write downright false information, it's easy to see it's not notable as what you call it! Maybe rewrite it to actually be accurate if you want it kept, but there are a lot of places with mining and industrial activity in the US, not a lot of which have articles.
Reywas92
Talk
16:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- I did not write anything knowingly false; part of the problem, I am seeing here, is a semantic discrepancy over what counts as an unincorporated community. I took this to be one; again, it's still not clear to me that it never was one, but I am happy to work with other editors on appropriate rewording as necessary. Chubbles ( talk) 01:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- So why did you write "Flux is an unincorporated community"? When you write downright false information, it's easy to see it's not notable as what you call it! Maybe rewrite it to actually be accurate if you want it kept, but there are a lot of places with mining and industrial activity in the US, not a lot of which have articles.
Reywas92
Talk
16:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This appears to be an industrial site. I found references to the quarry noted by Uncle G, and they put a salt plant in at Flux in the 1938 based on some newspaper results. About all else I could find were a couple references to a cafe being in the area in the 1960s. I'm not seeing any evidence that this was more than an industrial area, so WP:GNG is not met, and the coverage identified so far does not add up to WP:GNG. Hog Farm Talk 01:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Alternative proposal: given that Tooele County, Utah is larger than the state of Connecticut, are there administrative subdivisions of the County for which articles can be made? If so, I would presume that "Flux" must be located in one, and can be merged into it if such articles are created. BD2412 T 01:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The epitome of non-notability. Stifle ( talk) 10:50, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.