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The result was keep. Although participants have raised questions on the reliability and prominence of non-local sources going towards WP:GNG/ WP:NORG/ WP:NBUILD, there is some consensus in the discussion that the subject is notable. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 18:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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Just one of many run of the mill halfway houses that every mid to large cities in the nation have that by the nature of their business, get local press coverage. It does not meet WP:NORG or WP:ORGDEPTH with sufficient audience interest to be in a global scale English encyclopedia. The https://web.archive.org/web/20120305213535/http://www.mpbn.net/Home/tabid/36/ctl/ViewItem/mid/3478/ItemId/12470/Default.aspx source is a whole lot of direct quotation of people involved in the project. I feel this coverage is pretty routine about an opening of a such facility. Argument made by MelanieN in previoius AfD has valid points. these organizations are everywhere and maybe they're important in the local community but overall, they lack sufficient notability from world perspectives. Per WP:SIRS, series of coverage by the same journalist and same publication counts as one, and coverage that is made up mostly of cluster of quotes from people aren't really significant and independent coverage. Graywalls ( talk) 04:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep WP:MILL is an essay and so "no official status, and do not speak for the Wikipedia community". We already had a community discussion which arrived at a clear conclusion to Keep this topic and the nomination does not provide a good reason to overturn this. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep as passing WP:GNG. Even if we exclude the numerous Maine-based sources discussing the subject in detail (and we should not), Florence House is the subject of an entire chapter in a published study of homelessness. Similarly, it is written about extensively in this honor's thesis at Assumption College. GLAAD has also published material about it on their national website.-- User:Namiba 17:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The fact that there may be many similar organisations is not an argument to remove articles. After all there are many sports teams, churches and hospitals which are pretty similar and get lots of local coverage. Rathfelder ( talk) 23:05, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not really sure whether this falls under WP:GNG, WP:NORG, WP:NBUILD or what. The academic sources aren't good (a single presentation at a conference, an honour's thesis for a BA?) and most of the sources are local. If I were the sole arbiter I'd probably be a weak WP:NORG delete, but I'm firmly neutral on this one since that may not be its correct application. SportingFlyer T· C 11:41, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep: the conference presentation and GLAAD coverage in combination with local coverage makes me think there's enough for a decent article. (The BA thesis is not reliable, by my understanding of the American education system.) However, it's borderline. — Bilorv ( talk) 23:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Although participants have raised questions on the reliability and prominence of non-local sources going towards WP:GNG/ WP:NORG/ WP:NBUILD, there is some consensus in the discussion that the subject is notable. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 18:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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Just one of many run of the mill halfway houses that every mid to large cities in the nation have that by the nature of their business, get local press coverage. It does not meet WP:NORG or WP:ORGDEPTH with sufficient audience interest to be in a global scale English encyclopedia. The https://web.archive.org/web/20120305213535/http://www.mpbn.net/Home/tabid/36/ctl/ViewItem/mid/3478/ItemId/12470/Default.aspx source is a whole lot of direct quotation of people involved in the project. I feel this coverage is pretty routine about an opening of a such facility. Argument made by MelanieN in previoius AfD has valid points. these organizations are everywhere and maybe they're important in the local community but overall, they lack sufficient notability from world perspectives. Per WP:SIRS, series of coverage by the same journalist and same publication counts as one, and coverage that is made up mostly of cluster of quotes from people aren't really significant and independent coverage. Graywalls ( talk) 04:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Graywalls ( talk) 04:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Graywalls ( talk) 04:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maine-related deletion discussions. Graywalls ( talk) 04:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep WP:MILL is an essay and so "no official status, and do not speak for the Wikipedia community". We already had a community discussion which arrived at a clear conclusion to Keep this topic and the nomination does not provide a good reason to overturn this. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep as passing WP:GNG. Even if we exclude the numerous Maine-based sources discussing the subject in detail (and we should not), Florence House is the subject of an entire chapter in a published study of homelessness. Similarly, it is written about extensively in this honor's thesis at Assumption College. GLAAD has also published material about it on their national website.-- User:Namiba 17:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The fact that there may be many similar organisations is not an argument to remove articles. After all there are many sports teams, churches and hospitals which are pretty similar and get lots of local coverage. Rathfelder ( talk) 23:05, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not really sure whether this falls under WP:GNG, WP:NORG, WP:NBUILD or what. The academic sources aren't good (a single presentation at a conference, an honour's thesis for a BA?) and most of the sources are local. If I were the sole arbiter I'd probably be a weak WP:NORG delete, but I'm firmly neutral on this one since that may not be its correct application. SportingFlyer T· C 11:41, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep: the conference presentation and GLAAD coverage in combination with local coverage makes me think there's enough for a decent article. (The BA thesis is not reliable, by my understanding of the American education system.) However, it's borderline. — Bilorv ( talk) 23:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
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