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The result was delete and redirect to Datarock. Spartaz Humbug! 06:20, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
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Does not meat the guidelines. 333 -blue at 12:41, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 12:41, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep far from an ordinary run of the mill song release this song from a Nordic band has been used in popular American television shows. Seems to be very notable. FloridaArmy ( talk) 13:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from those notable topics. Can you reason based on something more guideline based, such as WP:NMUSIC ? Widefox; talk 22:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NMUSIC (as presented) - not in charts, and many primary sources. Additionally, I find it curious that a new editor (not quite an WP:SPA) User:Javiera Mena Mon Laferte created this on their second edit, so with advanced edit abilities. Widefox; talk 22:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't find it curious at all. It's a hit song. Their edit history shows they were reading about the band where this is noted in the lede as one of the group's two biggest hits. Recognizing and appreciating the song as many do they made an article on it. Obviously they're not a first time editor but assume good faith. Apple and the popular U.S. television show Workaholics used the song so it even has an international following.
FloridaArmy (
talk)
01:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here's one of the many sources discussing the song very subatantially. The Prime Minister and other officials rocked out to it as is noted in the article and seen in the video. At worst this would be a merge, bit why so why so many editors want to violate Wikipedia's cornerstones such as WP:Before and wp:preserve is disheartening. We have a real problem with wp:bias and trying to delete sibjects like this instead of improving them is why. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- How would you know that another account "were reading about the band" etc? Either that's
hearsay or you should explain how you know that account. None of the above addresses it a) failing NMUSIC (that source is
WP:PRIMARYNEWS), or b) account activity.
Widefox;
talk
10:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- How is coverage of the band performing this song at a concert with the Prime Minister and 400 children performing it done by
NRK News primary? You also say it is suspicious that a new account would create an entry on a hit song. Why is it suspicious? People are interested in hit songs, like to know about them, and are willing to write about them.
FloridaArmy (
talk)
12:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- The link explains..."Reports on events" is an example. It's primary for the event which is about the song (live), arguably primary/secondary for the song. (NRK News is a distraction: independent and primary/secondary aren't to be conflated.) NMUSIC has the bar set at a national chart, there's nothing about that so it fails that doesn't it. Widefox; talk 13:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- How is coverage of the band performing this song at a concert with the Prime Minister and 400 children performing it done by
NRK News primary? You also say it is suspicious that a new account would create an entry on a hit song. Why is it suspicious? People are interested in hit songs, like to know about them, and are willing to write about them.
FloridaArmy (
talk)
12:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't find it curious at all. It's a hit song. Their edit history shows they were reading about the band where this is noted in the lede as one of the group's two biggest hits. Recognizing and appreciating the song as many do they made an article on it. Obviously they're not a first time editor but assume good faith. Apple and the popular U.S. television show Workaholics used the song so it even has an international following.
FloridaArmy (
talk)
01:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
CommentIt's tough when you don't understand the language. This [1] looks like significant coverage of Datarock, some of Fa-Fa-Fa. I think we've got to watch for language bias on this one. Jacona ( talk) 12:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- (Google translation works on it.) Widefox; talk 13:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- does not meet WP:NMUSIC. A non-charting single that lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The link above is about the album, with a passing mention of the song (the album itself should be probably redirected to the band itself as not independently notable). This is insufficient for a stand-alone article. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect It's a fine song, but no reason it needs its own article, per NMUSIC. It is best covered by redirecting to Datarock Datarock. Jacona ( talk) 12:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:33, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:33, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete and redirect to Datarock. Spartaz Humbug! 06:20, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
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Does not meat the guidelines. 333 -blue at 12:41, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 12:41, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep far from an ordinary run of the mill song release this song from a Nordic band has been used in popular American television shows. Seems to be very notable. FloridaArmy ( talk) 13:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from those notable topics. Can you reason based on something more guideline based, such as WP:NMUSIC ? Widefox; talk 22:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NMUSIC (as presented) - not in charts, and many primary sources. Additionally, I find it curious that a new editor (not quite an WP:SPA) User:Javiera Mena Mon Laferte created this on their second edit, so with advanced edit abilities. Widefox; talk 22:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't find it curious at all. It's a hit song. Their edit history shows they were reading about the band where this is noted in the lede as one of the group's two biggest hits. Recognizing and appreciating the song as many do they made an article on it. Obviously they're not a first time editor but assume good faith. Apple and the popular U.S. television show Workaholics used the song so it even has an international following.
FloridaArmy (
talk)
01:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here's one of the many sources discussing the song very subatantially. The Prime Minister and other officials rocked out to it as is noted in the article and seen in the video. At worst this would be a merge, bit why so why so many editors want to violate Wikipedia's cornerstones such as WP:Before and wp:preserve is disheartening. We have a real problem with wp:bias and trying to delete sibjects like this instead of improving them is why. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- How would you know that another account "were reading about the band" etc? Either that's
hearsay or you should explain how you know that account. None of the above addresses it a) failing NMUSIC (that source is
WP:PRIMARYNEWS), or b) account activity.
Widefox;
talk
10:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- How is coverage of the band performing this song at a concert with the Prime Minister and 400 children performing it done by
NRK News primary? You also say it is suspicious that a new account would create an entry on a hit song. Why is it suspicious? People are interested in hit songs, like to know about them, and are willing to write about them.
FloridaArmy (
talk)
12:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- The link explains..."Reports on events" is an example. It's primary for the event which is about the song (live), arguably primary/secondary for the song. (NRK News is a distraction: independent and primary/secondary aren't to be conflated.) NMUSIC has the bar set at a national chart, there's nothing about that so it fails that doesn't it. Widefox; talk 13:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- How is coverage of the band performing this song at a concert with the Prime Minister and 400 children performing it done by
NRK News primary? You also say it is suspicious that a new account would create an entry on a hit song. Why is it suspicious? People are interested in hit songs, like to know about them, and are willing to write about them.
FloridaArmy (
talk)
12:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't find it curious at all. It's a hit song. Their edit history shows they were reading about the band where this is noted in the lede as one of the group's two biggest hits. Recognizing and appreciating the song as many do they made an article on it. Obviously they're not a first time editor but assume good faith. Apple and the popular U.S. television show Workaholics used the song so it even has an international following.
FloridaArmy (
talk)
01:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
CommentIt's tough when you don't understand the language. This [1] looks like significant coverage of Datarock, some of Fa-Fa-Fa. I think we've got to watch for language bias on this one. Jacona ( talk) 12:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- (Google translation works on it.) Widefox; talk 13:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- does not meet WP:NMUSIC. A non-charting single that lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The link above is about the album, with a passing mention of the song (the album itself should be probably redirected to the band itself as not independently notable). This is insufficient for a stand-alone article. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect It's a fine song, but no reason it needs its own article, per NMUSIC. It is best covered by redirecting to Datarock Datarock. Jacona ( talk) 12:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:33, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:33, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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