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The result was Speedy/procedural keep - this relates to longstanding conflict/disruption related to the history/legacy of the famous Romanian football team 'Steaua București', with two clubs ( FCSB and CSA Steaua București) both claiming the heritage. AFD is totally the wrong venue to deal with any perceived issues related to this, FSCB is clearly notable.. Giant Snowman 12:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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The information presented here is mostly false. The date the club was founded is wrong, the records are wrong, the history is wrong, former players are wrong, about 80% of the entire article is wrong.
If you go to the club's own website, you find nothing about the information presented here. It says here that Fcsb has 27 domestic titles. When its chairman of the board was asked if this is true, he denied it. https://as.ro/fotbal/liga-1/mihai-stoica-explicatie-total-neasteptata-motivul-pentru-care-numarul-27-va-fi-trecut-pe-tricourile-campioanei-fcsb-398416.html So why keep this article? It makes no sense. Just because there is some wrong information posted on some website? That is the same as fake news. Does Wikipedia support fake news now? TPTB ( talk) 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. TPTB ( talk) 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Comment AfD is not for debating the content. It is to establish WP:notabilty and appropriate WP inclusion/exclusion. Please feel free to correct the info with WP:reliable sources or reframe the AfD proposal. If the sources are geniune and reliable, btw we might need a conversation about how to use them.
- FWIW the article appears to be well written and since the club is in
Liga I and has always been so and have had major success, I !vote keep and cleanup using better and
more reliable sources. If it turns out that these assertions are false then we can reconsider notability—
Iadmc
♫
talk
14:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Try the articles in Wikipedia:Fake news to root out sites that are either satirical or disengenuous and read the project pages to get some idea of what we think about Fake News— Iadmc ♫ talk 14:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Comment: this is an invalid and arguably malicious nomination. As can be seen on the talk pages of this article and various others on related entities, there is a long-running legal dispute. The nom is likely to be proved correct that FCSB will be disassociated from most if not all of the historic achievements of the Steaua Bucharest club in due course, but AFAIK this is not definitive at present in terms of reliable sources stating exactly what can be allocated to whom. Regardless, the FCSB entity is an extant sports club (and won the Romanian championship this season just gone) so is unequivocally a valid topic for an article, and would be still valid as a topic as a means of clarification on the events of the past years even if it were dissolved altogether tomorrow. The nom has seemingly lost their patience in this matter and now simply wants to have all the information deleted rather than have contentious information removed by the proper means and processes. Crowsus ( talk) 16:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Football, and Romania. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep This is a long-standing content dispute, not a deletion rationale. The same user PRODded the page several years ago. It might be time to consider a topic ban. SportingFlyer T· C 17:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close AfD is absolutely not the right venue for this discussion. User appears to have a partial ban for editing topics related to FCSB. Invalid nomination. Jay eyem ( talk) 17:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close – Clearly FCSB inherits the records of FC Steaua Bucharest, being prevented from using the name for bureaucratic reasons.
Svartner (
talk)
23:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Bureaucratic reasons? That's what you call now identity theft? lmao 213.233.104.44 ( talk) 11:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 12:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result was Speedy/procedural keep - this relates to longstanding conflict/disruption related to the history/legacy of the famous Romanian football team 'Steaua București', with two clubs ( FCSB and CSA Steaua București) both claiming the heritage. AFD is totally the wrong venue to deal with any perceived issues related to this, FSCB is clearly notable.. Giant Snowman 12:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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The information presented here is mostly false. The date the club was founded is wrong, the records are wrong, the history is wrong, former players are wrong, about 80% of the entire article is wrong.
If you go to the club's own website, you find nothing about the information presented here. It says here that Fcsb has 27 domestic titles. When its chairman of the board was asked if this is true, he denied it. https://as.ro/fotbal/liga-1/mihai-stoica-explicatie-total-neasteptata-motivul-pentru-care-numarul-27-va-fi-trecut-pe-tricourile-campioanei-fcsb-398416.html So why keep this article? It makes no sense. Just because there is some wrong information posted on some website? That is the same as fake news. Does Wikipedia support fake news now? TPTB ( talk) 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. TPTB ( talk) 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Comment AfD is not for debating the content. It is to establish WP:notabilty and appropriate WP inclusion/exclusion. Please feel free to correct the info with WP:reliable sources or reframe the AfD proposal. If the sources are geniune and reliable, btw we might need a conversation about how to use them.
- FWIW the article appears to be well written and since the club is in
Liga I and has always been so and have had major success, I !vote keep and cleanup using better and
more reliable sources. If it turns out that these assertions are false then we can reconsider notability—
Iadmc
♫
talk
14:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Try the articles in Wikipedia:Fake news to root out sites that are either satirical or disengenuous and read the project pages to get some idea of what we think about Fake News— Iadmc ♫ talk 14:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Comment: this is an invalid and arguably malicious nomination. As can be seen on the talk pages of this article and various others on related entities, there is a long-running legal dispute. The nom is likely to be proved correct that FCSB will be disassociated from most if not all of the historic achievements of the Steaua Bucharest club in due course, but AFAIK this is not definitive at present in terms of reliable sources stating exactly what can be allocated to whom. Regardless, the FCSB entity is an extant sports club (and won the Romanian championship this season just gone) so is unequivocally a valid topic for an article, and would be still valid as a topic as a means of clarification on the events of the past years even if it were dissolved altogether tomorrow. The nom has seemingly lost their patience in this matter and now simply wants to have all the information deleted rather than have contentious information removed by the proper means and processes. Crowsus ( talk) 16:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Football, and Romania. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep This is a long-standing content dispute, not a deletion rationale. The same user PRODded the page several years ago. It might be time to consider a topic ban. SportingFlyer T· C 17:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close AfD is absolutely not the right venue for this discussion. User appears to have a partial ban for editing topics related to FCSB. Invalid nomination. Jay eyem ( talk) 17:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close – Clearly FCSB inherits the records of FC Steaua Bucharest, being prevented from using the name for bureaucratic reasons.
Svartner (
talk)
23:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Bureaucratic reasons? That's what you call now identity theft? lmao 213.233.104.44 ( talk) 11:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 12:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.