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The result was keep. There are sources that discuss people's belief in the subject; article subjects do not have to exist as real things. Updates to article content or name can be handled outside of AFD.
RL0919 (
talk) 20:47, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete as per
WP:NOTNEO and
WP:NOTNEWS. A phrase that appeared in a one or two day news cycle is not notable enough for its own article.
Rusf10 (
talk) 20:04, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
It's even been discussed in books:
[19][20] -
MrX 🖋 21:03, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep This topic has been widely reported and discussed in the mainstream media for at least the past year. It's a core narrative of Pres. Trump and the GOP. The nomination fails on its face.
SPECIFICOtalk 22:18, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Weak Keep - Meh. I guess it meets GNG, but it should be more clearly described as a conspiracy theory (and/or perhaps titled as such), given the way it's covered in these sources. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 22:22, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep the nomination seems to be based on the article, its state and sourcing as it was two years ago. However the story has lived rather longer than that and still attracts coverage. We're not here to judge the truth of the conspiracy, just the size of the attention paid to it.
Andy Dingley (
talk) 22:36, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
The conspiracy theory is rather a separate topic -- despite Trump's backers' using it to deflect from the IG findings.
SPECIFICOtalk 23:27, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Strong Delete This is better material for a conspiracy theory Wiki than Wikipedia.
TH1980 (
talk) 23:34, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
@
TH1980: May I ask what Wikipedia content policy that is based on? -
MrX 🖋 23:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
@
BullRangifer: I think we should have a formal move discussion after this closes. I have mixed thoughts about your proposal, but I don't want to unnecessarily derail this discussion.-
MrX 🖋 01:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
That makes sense. Right now the title looks like a descriptive statement of fact, as if it really exists, so this should be done quickly. --
BullRangifer (
talk) 01:36, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete Maybe belongs in some article somewhere but as a standalone, not so much.--
MONGO (
talk) 16:08, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Peter Strzok § Reactions. This subject is already covered there, and there is not enough content to warrant a standalone article. --
Bsherr (
talk) 21:27, 24 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep: plenty of sources to build an NPOV article. But either rename or make clearer in the first sentence that it's a conspiracy theory. --
K.e.coffman (
talk) 17:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Agree. The title and lead need a change to include "conspiracy theory". --
BullRangifer (
talk) 19:16, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Weak Keep: I don't see a problem with this as a standalone, or combined within another wp article as a section.
X1\ (
talk) 20:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. There are sources that discuss people's belief in the subject; article subjects do not have to exist as real things. Updates to article content or name can be handled outside of AFD.
RL0919 (
talk) 20:47, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete as per
WP:NOTNEO and
WP:NOTNEWS. A phrase that appeared in a one or two day news cycle is not notable enough for its own article.
Rusf10 (
talk) 20:04, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
It's even been discussed in books:
[19][20] -
MrX 🖋 21:03, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep This topic has been widely reported and discussed in the mainstream media for at least the past year. It's a core narrative of Pres. Trump and the GOP. The nomination fails on its face.
SPECIFICOtalk 22:18, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Weak Keep - Meh. I guess it meets GNG, but it should be more clearly described as a conspiracy theory (and/or perhaps titled as such), given the way it's covered in these sources. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 22:22, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep the nomination seems to be based on the article, its state and sourcing as it was two years ago. However the story has lived rather longer than that and still attracts coverage. We're not here to judge the truth of the conspiracy, just the size of the attention paid to it.
Andy Dingley (
talk) 22:36, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
The conspiracy theory is rather a separate topic -- despite Trump's backers' using it to deflect from the IG findings.
SPECIFICOtalk 23:27, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Strong Delete This is better material for a conspiracy theory Wiki than Wikipedia.
TH1980 (
talk) 23:34, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
@
TH1980: May I ask what Wikipedia content policy that is based on? -
MrX 🖋 23:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)reply
@
BullRangifer: I think we should have a formal move discussion after this closes. I have mixed thoughts about your proposal, but I don't want to unnecessarily derail this discussion.-
MrX 🖋 01:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
That makes sense. Right now the title looks like a descriptive statement of fact, as if it really exists, so this should be done quickly. --
BullRangifer (
talk) 01:36, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete Maybe belongs in some article somewhere but as a standalone, not so much.--
MONGO (
talk) 16:08, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Peter Strzok § Reactions. This subject is already covered there, and there is not enough content to warrant a standalone article. --
Bsherr (
talk) 21:27, 24 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep: plenty of sources to build an NPOV article. But either rename or make clearer in the first sentence that it's a conspiracy theory. --
K.e.coffman (
talk) 17:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Agree. The title and lead need a change to include "conspiracy theory". --
BullRangifer (
talk) 19:16, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Weak Keep: I don't see a problem with this as a standalone, or combined within another wp article as a section.
X1\ (
talk) 20:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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