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The result was merge to Ali Shariati. as an ATD. Liz Read! Talk! 03:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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A lecture that I can't find non-passing coverage of. What sources do exist don't really seem to be discussing this specific lecture, but mentioning it in context for Ali Shariati's views on women and Islam. There is a language barrier however so I could be missing something. If not, redirect to Shariati's biography. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 11:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature and Islam. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 11:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Ali Shariati Oaktree b ( talk) 14:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
CommentIf the issue is notability, it seems that finding out how many scholarly works cite Expectations as a source might help. I'm attempting this at Google Scholar, but there are probably more efficient sites out there: [1] I clicked on one of the Google Scholar results, more or less at random, and I got this 2014 study that cites it: [2] And so do these [3] This took probably three minutes. It's likely there are a lot more out there. If anyone has a university JSTOR access, we could have this thing sourced up in no time. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 01:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)- @
Darkfrog24 I mean, sure, it's cited, but the issue is I can't find any sources that talk about the actual thing besides the fact that it exists.
PARAKANYAA (
talk)
01:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Its academic nature may affect our ability to do that from this side of the paywall. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that would end up in the New York Times book review. Do you have JSTOR access?
Darkfrog24 (
talk)
01:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Couldn't find anything on that, ProQuest, Gale, etc. If there is sigcov it probably isn't in English, which is the issue.
PARAKANYAA (
talk)
01:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I checked and there's one linked article to another Wiki. The sources, whose titles appear in English, seem to be just Expectations itself. I'm comfortable with deletion without prejudice to recreation if better sourcing appears, but I'm not confident it exists. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 13:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Couldn't find anything on that, ProQuest, Gale, etc. If there is sigcov it probably isn't in English, which is the issue.
PARAKANYAA (
talk)
01:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Its academic nature may affect our ability to do that from this side of the paywall. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that would end up in the New York Times book review. Do you have JSTOR access?
Darkfrog24 (
talk)
01:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Darkfrog24 I mean, sure, it's cited, but the issue is I can't find any sources that talk about the actual thing besides the fact that it exists.
PARAKANYAA (
talk)
01:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further thoughts on the sources presented by Darkfrog24?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Ali Shariati. as an ATD. Liz Read! Talk! 03:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Expectations from the Muslim Woman ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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A lecture that I can't find non-passing coverage of. What sources do exist don't really seem to be discussing this specific lecture, but mentioning it in context for Ali Shariati's views on women and Islam. There is a language barrier however so I could be missing something. If not, redirect to Shariati's biography. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 11:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature and Islam. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 11:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Ali Shariati Oaktree b ( talk) 14:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
CommentIf the issue is notability, it seems that finding out how many scholarly works cite Expectations as a source might help. I'm attempting this at Google Scholar, but there are probably more efficient sites out there: [1] I clicked on one of the Google Scholar results, more or less at random, and I got this 2014 study that cites it: [2] And so do these [3] This took probably three minutes. It's likely there are a lot more out there. If anyone has a university JSTOR access, we could have this thing sourced up in no time. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 01:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)- @
Darkfrog24 I mean, sure, it's cited, but the issue is I can't find any sources that talk about the actual thing besides the fact that it exists.
PARAKANYAA (
talk)
01:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Its academic nature may affect our ability to do that from this side of the paywall. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that would end up in the New York Times book review. Do you have JSTOR access?
Darkfrog24 (
talk)
01:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Couldn't find anything on that, ProQuest, Gale, etc. If there is sigcov it probably isn't in English, which is the issue.
PARAKANYAA (
talk)
01:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I checked and there's one linked article to another Wiki. The sources, whose titles appear in English, seem to be just Expectations itself. I'm comfortable with deletion without prejudice to recreation if better sourcing appears, but I'm not confident it exists. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 13:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Couldn't find anything on that, ProQuest, Gale, etc. If there is sigcov it probably isn't in English, which is the issue.
PARAKANYAA (
talk)
01:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Its academic nature may affect our ability to do that from this side of the paywall. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that would end up in the New York Times book review. Do you have JSTOR access?
Darkfrog24 (
talk)
01:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Darkfrog24 I mean, sure, it's cited, but the issue is I can't find any sources that talk about the actual thing besides the fact that it exists.
PARAKANYAA (
talk)
01:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further thoughts on the sources presented by Darkfrog24?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.