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The result was keep. All else fixed, we're good § FreeRangeFrog croak 04:08, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
EtonHouse International Education Group
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- NOTE: Becuase they are essentially the same article, I am including the following in this afd: Ng Gim Choo, Draft:EtonHouse International Education Group, User:306peppero/sandbox, EtonHouse Korea
On a routine pass through my deletion log this morning I was unpleasantly surprised to see that this article had been recreated. Again. After a review of the article though, it apparent that there is much more at play here than would initially meet the eyes, so I am listing this here with an explanation and history, and I would ask the community to agree to a special sanction.
This is the third time that EtonHouse International Education Group has been created here on Wikipedia, and in all three cases the article has been backed by people whom I presume have a strong attachment to the school. I presume to guess this because the earliest creator for the article was Etonhousesingapore ( talk · contribs), an account with promotional swing to it. At the time the article was created it was written as an add, read like a promotion, and was dangerously close to being considered an open copyright violation because almost everything in the article had been taken at or near verbatim from their website pages (which you can see in the external links section. I found the article after Mike Rosoft ( talk · contribs) had already axed it on CSD G11 grounds, and reaxed it on those same grounds. Having watched this potentially copyright infringing article reappear once more, and in its more or less pre-csd state, I get the feeling that a normal csd isn't going to cut it, so I;m here to request that the community sanction a deletion of this article on through afd.
Moreover, as I note above, this is dangerously close to being in open violation of our copyright infringement policies on site. Therefore, in order to affect a timely halt to the inclusion of copyrighted material, and to ensure the page is not rebuilt in its current form for a fourth time, I am asking that the page be protected from recreation until such time as a version of the article that doesn't appear to be a thinly veiled rewording of the webpages for this school is created and approved by reviewers, all the more so because I suspect there are socks or multiple accounts attempting to maintain the article at or near its current form. TomStar81 ( Talk) 14:21, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep EtonHouse International Education Group and Ng Gim Choo. Delete Draft:EtonHouse International Education Group and User:306peppero/sandbox. Redirect EtonHouse Korea to EtonHouse International Education Group, pending some display of independent notability. Wow, this is quite a mess you found, TomStar81! The first two articles have been cleaned up, and I think both are easily notable enough for inclusion. The draft and sandbox still have copyright issues and are not necessary in any event. The franchise article isn't likely to have stand-alone notability. It seems very likely to me that these articles were created by staff of the group or school; this happens a lot with schools and companies. I often find that the best way to prevent them coming back over and over again in unusable form is to create a usable form. :) That said, sometimes advertisements or copyvios do creep back in. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Keep EtonHouse International Education Group and Ng Gim Choo, redirect EtonHouse Korea, delete sandboxes and drafts for copyvio. I blanked and rewrote up the article last night, and Moonriddengirl has added to it quite extensively. Independent notability is now there and shown. JTdale Talk 15:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Keep EtonHouse International Education Group and Ng Gim Choo. Redirect EtonHouse Korea . All as per Moonriddengirl and JTdale with thanks on behalf of WP:WPSCH for their work . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. All else fixed, we're good § FreeRangeFrog croak 04:08, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
EtonHouse International Education Group
- EtonHouse International Education Group ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- NOTE: Becuase they are essentially the same article, I am including the following in this afd: Ng Gim Choo, Draft:EtonHouse International Education Group, User:306peppero/sandbox, EtonHouse Korea
On a routine pass through my deletion log this morning I was unpleasantly surprised to see that this article had been recreated. Again. After a review of the article though, it apparent that there is much more at play here than would initially meet the eyes, so I am listing this here with an explanation and history, and I would ask the community to agree to a special sanction.
This is the third time that EtonHouse International Education Group has been created here on Wikipedia, and in all three cases the article has been backed by people whom I presume have a strong attachment to the school. I presume to guess this because the earliest creator for the article was Etonhousesingapore ( talk · contribs), an account with promotional swing to it. At the time the article was created it was written as an add, read like a promotion, and was dangerously close to being considered an open copyright violation because almost everything in the article had been taken at or near verbatim from their website pages (which you can see in the external links section. I found the article after Mike Rosoft ( talk · contribs) had already axed it on CSD G11 grounds, and reaxed it on those same grounds. Having watched this potentially copyright infringing article reappear once more, and in its more or less pre-csd state, I get the feeling that a normal csd isn't going to cut it, so I;m here to request that the community sanction a deletion of this article on through afd.
Moreover, as I note above, this is dangerously close to being in open violation of our copyright infringement policies on site. Therefore, in order to affect a timely halt to the inclusion of copyrighted material, and to ensure the page is not rebuilt in its current form for a fourth time, I am asking that the page be protected from recreation until such time as a version of the article that doesn't appear to be a thinly veiled rewording of the webpages for this school is created and approved by reviewers, all the more so because I suspect there are socks or multiple accounts attempting to maintain the article at or near its current form. TomStar81 ( Talk) 14:21, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:51, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Keep EtonHouse International Education Group and Ng Gim Choo. Delete Draft:EtonHouse International Education Group and User:306peppero/sandbox. Redirect EtonHouse Korea to EtonHouse International Education Group, pending some display of independent notability. Wow, this is quite a mess you found, TomStar81! The first two articles have been cleaned up, and I think both are easily notable enough for inclusion. The draft and sandbox still have copyright issues and are not necessary in any event. The franchise article isn't likely to have stand-alone notability. It seems very likely to me that these articles were created by staff of the group or school; this happens a lot with schools and companies. I often find that the best way to prevent them coming back over and over again in unusable form is to create a usable form. :) That said, sometimes advertisements or copyvios do creep back in. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Keep EtonHouse International Education Group and Ng Gim Choo, redirect EtonHouse Korea, delete sandboxes and drafts for copyvio. I blanked and rewrote up the article last night, and Moonriddengirl has added to it quite extensively. Independent notability is now there and shown. JTdale Talk 15:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Keep EtonHouse International Education Group and Ng Gim Choo. Redirect EtonHouse Korea . All as per Moonriddengirl and JTdale with thanks on behalf of WP:WPSCH for their work . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.