The result was Keep (as redirect to Endal). Wal ton Need some help? 17:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Just some non-notable guy's non-notable dog. I almost can't believe this article exists, but yet, there it is. Also a probable copyvio. Cyde Weys 17:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
NB - since this debate began and since the original was marked as a copyvio for a time - someone has created another version at Endal - Can someone who cares sort this.-- Docg 23:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
I am disappointed at your comments, despite a dog being filmed by over three hundred film crews from around the world, having been awarded the highest award for peace time animal bravery, listed in the Times news paper as as one of the top ten most famous dogs of history you doubt his credabilty? Your comment that a highly decorated service man injured in service of his country is a non-notable person...that is below the belt and not what i would expect the author of this site to write. I am sure sniping at folk from the key board is something you consider an act of bravery? Endal and Allen 17:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Though I digress from the original topic and having had a period of reflection I have felt I have to reply to part of your response to me... if only to be a voice for those that no longer have the opportunity to reply to your dismissive comment. I am not setting up any sort of conflict or personal argument with you.
I have come as close to being an engraved name on a war memorial in a sleepy English village than I care for, following being seriously injured during operation Desert Storm in 1991. Just because millions of people have been awarded medals over the years doesn't make each one of them any the less notable than the next person awarded a medal tomorrow. Each medal awarded reflects the special action of the individual it is awarded to, singling them out as "notable"! Any person who is prepared to lay his or her life down for the freedom and defence of others is indeed very notable. It Wikipedia was perfect there would be a section listing every medal holder that ever there was and their citation.. Why then do we hold veteran days around the world if not to recognise, the valour and selfless sacrifice of individuals and especially that each medal holder has made for our freedom that we enjoy today.
Millions have fought over the years for the right of people to live a free life from under the rule of tyrants and dictators, regardless of creed, colour or religion. Individuals have stood apart from the crowd and fought for a just cause not for praise or adulation but because it is morally the right thing to do. I can't sit in the wheelchair claiming that I have fought to up hold the rights of people to live in a free society where everyone has a voice and a right that it should be heard, but then dictate what that voice must say. What you have said though in your throw away comment is hurtful and belittles the notable actions of many who have made the supreme sacrifice or for those injured like myself and those who have survived intact. There is a famous saying engraved on the wall of the Imperial War museum in London "War only ends for the dead"..... these words I ask you to reflect on!
Tomorrow the papers will list more names of the fallen in the current conflict around the would, today's news - tomorrow's fish and chips paper...but every individual is notable for upholding the right for us to live in a free and democratic world.... Notable..each and everyone...most definitely.... yes! Endal and Allen 18:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Endal is not just a dog Endal and Allen 22:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
OK, we are back to square one here. We have an article blanked as a probable copyvio, and certainly in an unencyclopedic tone. We seem to have a majority, if not a consensus that the subject merits an article. We have at least two users willing to work on a new article, but unable to as the currrent one is a disputed copyvio. Does anyone have an objection if I: 1) close this afd as 2) delete the current article as a probable copyvio and no use anyway 3) allow the editors who want to write a new one to do so 4) leave it open if anyone wants to afd it again once written (I won't care either way).--
Docg 20:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC) Copyright now cleared.--
Docg 22:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
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I have created a new article here: Endal as I had already done most of the work before the copyright violation tag was placed on it, but got beaten to the bell by an edit conflict. SilkTork 20:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
The result was Keep (as redirect to Endal). Wal ton Need some help? 17:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Just some non-notable guy's non-notable dog. I almost can't believe this article exists, but yet, there it is. Also a probable copyvio. Cyde Weys 17:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
NB - since this debate began and since the original was marked as a copyvio for a time - someone has created another version at Endal - Can someone who cares sort this.-- Docg 23:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
I am disappointed at your comments, despite a dog being filmed by over three hundred film crews from around the world, having been awarded the highest award for peace time animal bravery, listed in the Times news paper as as one of the top ten most famous dogs of history you doubt his credabilty? Your comment that a highly decorated service man injured in service of his country is a non-notable person...that is below the belt and not what i would expect the author of this site to write. I am sure sniping at folk from the key board is something you consider an act of bravery? Endal and Allen 17:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Though I digress from the original topic and having had a period of reflection I have felt I have to reply to part of your response to me... if only to be a voice for those that no longer have the opportunity to reply to your dismissive comment. I am not setting up any sort of conflict or personal argument with you.
I have come as close to being an engraved name on a war memorial in a sleepy English village than I care for, following being seriously injured during operation Desert Storm in 1991. Just because millions of people have been awarded medals over the years doesn't make each one of them any the less notable than the next person awarded a medal tomorrow. Each medal awarded reflects the special action of the individual it is awarded to, singling them out as "notable"! Any person who is prepared to lay his or her life down for the freedom and defence of others is indeed very notable. It Wikipedia was perfect there would be a section listing every medal holder that ever there was and their citation.. Why then do we hold veteran days around the world if not to recognise, the valour and selfless sacrifice of individuals and especially that each medal holder has made for our freedom that we enjoy today.
Millions have fought over the years for the right of people to live a free life from under the rule of tyrants and dictators, regardless of creed, colour or religion. Individuals have stood apart from the crowd and fought for a just cause not for praise or adulation but because it is morally the right thing to do. I can't sit in the wheelchair claiming that I have fought to up hold the rights of people to live in a free society where everyone has a voice and a right that it should be heard, but then dictate what that voice must say. What you have said though in your throw away comment is hurtful and belittles the notable actions of many who have made the supreme sacrifice or for those injured like myself and those who have survived intact. There is a famous saying engraved on the wall of the Imperial War museum in London "War only ends for the dead"..... these words I ask you to reflect on!
Tomorrow the papers will list more names of the fallen in the current conflict around the would, today's news - tomorrow's fish and chips paper...but every individual is notable for upholding the right for us to live in a free and democratic world.... Notable..each and everyone...most definitely.... yes! Endal and Allen 18:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Endal is not just a dog Endal and Allen 22:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
OK, we are back to square one here. We have an article blanked as a probable copyvio, and certainly in an unencyclopedic tone. We seem to have a majority, if not a consensus that the subject merits an article. We have at least two users willing to work on a new article, but unable to as the currrent one is a disputed copyvio. Does anyone have an objection if I: 1) close this afd as 2) delete the current article as a probable copyvio and no use anyway 3) allow the editors who want to write a new one to do so 4) leave it open if anyone wants to afd it again once written (I won't care either way).--
Docg 20:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC) Copyright now cleared.--
Docg 22:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
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I have created a new article here: Endal as I had already done most of the work before the copyright violation tag was placed on it, but got beaten to the bell by an edit conflict. SilkTork 20:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply