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The result was keep. A discussion to redirect / merge can happen outside this debate. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:15, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Elizabeth Chapman
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2009 AfD found no consensus, but dodn't have a huge number of participants. After more than 11 years in CAT:NN hopefully we can now get a consensus. I don't think there's anything on her to meet WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 21:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- There might be something in Something about the Author, according to Google books Up Uranus ( talk) 21:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep or move to Marmaduke the Lorry. Author of a notable series of books reviewed in Intent Upon Reading: A Critical Appraisal of Modern Fiction for Children, The Junior Bookshelf, and Growing Point; adapted for radio ( Radio Times); recorded by Kenneth Williams ( The Times, Discogs); and translated into Swedish by sv:Gunvor Håkansson. pburka ( talk) 15:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep: Googling on "Elizabeth Chapman Marmaduke" and restricting to "books" finds several tantalising snippets such as "No child who enjoys bustle and change can do better than to start solo reading on Elizabeth Chapman's series about Marmaduke the lorry and his adventures with Joe, his cheery driver, Archibald the engine, and all the men, women, animals ...", though I don't have access to hard copy sources about children's lit of the 1950s. Pam D 09:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm, looks as if we need to disambiguate her from the Elizabeth Chapman MBE who retired in 2015 and has
this linkedIn page, whose photo I suspect we have in the article (and probably a Wikidata muddle too).
Pam
D
09:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- The full quote from Intent upon Reading is ""No child who enjoys bustle and change can do better than to start solo reading on Elizabeth Chapman's series about Marmaduke the lorry and his adventures with Joe, his cheery driver, Archibald the engine, and all the men, women, animals and vehicles he hobnobs with on his trips in the hills around Manchester. Simple and direct, these stories give great pleasure for their gay common-sense, and because Marmaduke trundles through a world not so very different from the world of everyday. And a child's world. Marmaduke is as unpredictable as any small boy. We are not expected to read too much into these airy fables; like the drawings that accompany them, they are spun out of simple things." (p41 of the 1964 edition). Fisher includes one of the Marmaduke illustrations. There are two other refs to Chapman in the index, but they are to the reading lists Fisher includes. Tacyarg ( talk) 10:23, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm, looks as if we need to disambiguate her from the Elizabeth Chapman MBE who retired in 2015 and has
this linkedIn page, whose photo I suspect we have in the article (and probably a Wikidata muddle too).
Pam
D
09:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep* or redirect to Marmaduke. Apparently the books were popular enough to be translated into Swedish (and probably other languages as well), where Marmaduke the Lorry became "Lastbilen Teodor". HouseOfChange ( talk) 13:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep, prefer a redirect to Marmaduke. Poor sources used, not enough to establish notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 02:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. A discussion to redirect / merge can happen outside this debate. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:15, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Elizabeth Chapman
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2009 AfD found no consensus, but dodn't have a huge number of participants. After more than 11 years in CAT:NN hopefully we can now get a consensus. I don't think there's anything on her to meet WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 21:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- There might be something in Something about the Author, according to Google books Up Uranus ( talk) 21:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep or move to Marmaduke the Lorry. Author of a notable series of books reviewed in Intent Upon Reading: A Critical Appraisal of Modern Fiction for Children, The Junior Bookshelf, and Growing Point; adapted for radio ( Radio Times); recorded by Kenneth Williams ( The Times, Discogs); and translated into Swedish by sv:Gunvor Håkansson. pburka ( talk) 15:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 23:07, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 23:07, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 23:07, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Googling on "Elizabeth Chapman Marmaduke" and restricting to "books" finds several tantalising snippets such as "No child who enjoys bustle and change can do better than to start solo reading on Elizabeth Chapman's series about Marmaduke the lorry and his adventures with Joe, his cheery driver, Archibald the engine, and all the men, women, animals ...", though I don't have access to hard copy sources about children's lit of the 1950s. Pam D 09:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm, looks as if we need to disambiguate her from the Elizabeth Chapman MBE who retired in 2015 and has
this linkedIn page, whose photo I suspect we have in the article (and probably a Wikidata muddle too).
Pam
D
09:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- The full quote from Intent upon Reading is ""No child who enjoys bustle and change can do better than to start solo reading on Elizabeth Chapman's series about Marmaduke the lorry and his adventures with Joe, his cheery driver, Archibald the engine, and all the men, women, animals and vehicles he hobnobs with on his trips in the hills around Manchester. Simple and direct, these stories give great pleasure for their gay common-sense, and because Marmaduke trundles through a world not so very different from the world of everyday. And a child's world. Marmaduke is as unpredictable as any small boy. We are not expected to read too much into these airy fables; like the drawings that accompany them, they are spun out of simple things." (p41 of the 1964 edition). Fisher includes one of the Marmaduke illustrations. There are two other refs to Chapman in the index, but they are to the reading lists Fisher includes. Tacyarg ( talk) 10:23, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm, looks as if we need to disambiguate her from the Elizabeth Chapman MBE who retired in 2015 and has
this linkedIn page, whose photo I suspect we have in the article (and probably a Wikidata muddle too).
Pam
D
09:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep* or redirect to Marmaduke. Apparently the books were popular enough to be translated into Swedish (and probably other languages as well), where Marmaduke the Lorry became "Lastbilen Teodor". HouseOfChange ( talk) 13:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep, prefer a redirect to Marmaduke. Poor sources used, not enough to establish notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 02:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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