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The result was delete. Tone 14:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Elisabeth Bentley
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The subject doesn't seem to meet our WP:Notability guidelines. I tagged it for WP:QD because it's only source at the time was another Wikipedia article which isn't permitted to do here. The creator removed the tag and in his edit summary suggested he is still adding sources. Thus far, he has added an IMdb source of Elizabeth and a second source in which Elizabeth doesn't get a mention. Also, the two are not reliable to be considered. My Google search didn't give any positive response except for another Elizabeth Bentley who was a US spy. Thus, I brought it here for a consensus and more eyes to determine. 6Packs ( talk) 23:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:09, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
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Comment - I consider Elisabeth Bentley to be an important WOMAN filmmaker, and women have long been dismissed or considered "not notable" #TIMESUP when indeed Bentley is not only a notable screenwriter but also has a producing credit on upcoming T Malick film; [1] so hard to say she is not notable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Radiant Light 01:16, 25 September 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OnlyLoveIsReal777 ( talk • contribs)Striking comment made by sockpuppet: WP: SOCKSTRIKE -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:50, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - Inclusion into Wikipedia is based on meeting certain criteria related specifically to notability. Not "real-world" notability, but Wikipedia defined notability. While "real-world" notability is based many factors, such as popularity, Wikipedia based notability is based on meeting the criteria in WP:N and providing independent, non-trivial, in-depth support. Currently the article fails to meet the criteria for inclusion. reddogsix ( talk) 02:06, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I see that the article now has two citations to Variety, which is a start. However, this seems to be the case of WP:TOOSOON, and there does not seem to be significant coverage of Ms. Bentley. I entirely agree with the proposition that women have much less space devoted to them, and agree with WikiProject Women in Red. That said, there are plenty of women who meet the notability criteria that could be written about. There is no need to create articles about people who do not meet the criteria. -- Bejnar ( talk) 03:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per others - not a notable person, most sources have a very brief mention of this filmmaker and most searches end up with another Elizabeth Bentley who was actually pretty notable. Definitely WP:TOOSOON, regardless of what gender this person is. Omgwtfbbqsomethingrandom ( talk) 02:15, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, there's just not enough to show notability at this time. The closest is the screenplay nominated for an award, but that was just nominated and the reference doesn't mention Bentley at all. I'm assuming Nanking (2007 film) is the right film and she's not mentioned at all there. Just not enough there at the moment. Ravensfire ( talk) 16:32, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 14:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Elisabeth Bentley
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The subject doesn't seem to meet our WP:Notability guidelines. I tagged it for WP:QD because it's only source at the time was another Wikipedia article which isn't permitted to do here. The creator removed the tag and in his edit summary suggested he is still adding sources. Thus far, he has added an IMdb source of Elizabeth and a second source in which Elizabeth doesn't get a mention. Also, the two are not reliable to be considered. My Google search didn't give any positive response except for another Elizabeth Bentley who was a US spy. Thus, I brought it here for a consensus and more eyes to determine. 6Packs ( talk) 23:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:09, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:19, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment - I consider Elisabeth Bentley to be an important WOMAN filmmaker, and women have long been dismissed or considered "not notable" #TIMESUP when indeed Bentley is not only a notable screenwriter but also has a producing credit on upcoming T Malick film; [1] so hard to say she is not notable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Radiant Light 01:16, 25 September 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OnlyLoveIsReal777 ( talk • contribs)Striking comment made by sockpuppet: WP: SOCKSTRIKE -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:50, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - Inclusion into Wikipedia is based on meeting certain criteria related specifically to notability. Not "real-world" notability, but Wikipedia defined notability. While "real-world" notability is based many factors, such as popularity, Wikipedia based notability is based on meeting the criteria in WP:N and providing independent, non-trivial, in-depth support. Currently the article fails to meet the criteria for inclusion. reddogsix ( talk) 02:06, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I see that the article now has two citations to Variety, which is a start. However, this seems to be the case of WP:TOOSOON, and there does not seem to be significant coverage of Ms. Bentley. I entirely agree with the proposition that women have much less space devoted to them, and agree with WikiProject Women in Red. That said, there are plenty of women who meet the notability criteria that could be written about. There is no need to create articles about people who do not meet the criteria. -- Bejnar ( talk) 03:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per others - not a notable person, most sources have a very brief mention of this filmmaker and most searches end up with another Elizabeth Bentley who was actually pretty notable. Definitely WP:TOOSOON, regardless of what gender this person is. Omgwtfbbqsomethingrandom ( talk) 02:15, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, there's just not enough to show notability at this time. The closest is the screenplay nominated for an award, but that was just nominated and the reference doesn't mention Bentley at all. I'm assuming Nanking (2007 film) is the right film and she's not mentioned at all there. Just not enough there at the moment. Ravensfire ( talk) 16:32, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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