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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) St Anselm ( talk) 05:09, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Edmund Hamer Broadbent
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I couldn't establish that he meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG Boleyn ( talk) 11:33, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
- Weak keep - To be sure, he is at best on the very edge of notability. His book "The Pilgrim Church" has earned its reputation among a certain segment of Protestant and Anabaptist churches. I do not know how large the segment of people who appreciate an author's research needs to be, for a person to be "notable." As a part of that "certain segment" who consider his work on church history to be noteworthy, I think he should be included. But, I recognize that the number of us who are aware that Broadbent even existed is in the few tens of thousands at best, thus I cannot argue too hard that he was "notable." Your experience, Boleyn, is certainly broader than mine here on Wikipedia, and I don't want my personal opinion of Broadbent's notability to be used as the criteria for his inclusion. Mikeatnip ( talk) 13:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: Inclusion can be justified by the fact that the book The Pilgrim Church was (and still is) an international success, having been translated at least into French, Spanish, German, Romanian, Croatian, Hungarian, Faroese, Chinese and Korean (see WorldCat). An academic paper on E.H. Broadbent is Tim Grass, "Edmund Hamer Broadbent (1861–1945): Pilgrim Churchman", in: Witness in Many Lands. Leadership and Outreach among the Brethren, ed. by Tim Grass, Troon, UK (Brethren Archivists and Historians Network) 2013, ISBN 9780957017733, pp. 135-145. – Schneid9 ( talk) 15:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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- Weak keep - he has more than passing in Albert W. Wardin, On the Edge: Baptists and Other Free Church Evangelicals in Tsarist Russia, 1855-1917 Wipf and Stock Publishers, Oct 28, 2013. On page 279 of that book, it is referenced that further discussion can be found in two other places, including the George Henry Lang book already cited and W. T. Stunt, Turning the world upside down: a century of missionary endeavour. Upperton Press [for] Echoes of service, 1972 p63-65 (snippet view). The Wardin book on page 453 and 467 imply that there is more to the Broadbent story, and on 467, another source, Wardin, Albert W. Evangelical sectarianism in the Russian Empire and the USSR: a bibliographic guide. No. 36. Scarecrow Pr, 1995. p52-53 (no snippets, but book link is here. While these books have religious publishers, they are all reputable, I think. With a little AGF, this seems to pass GNG. Smmurphy( Talk) 16:21, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
- Strong keep per the biography written by George Henry Lang, published by Paternoster Press. Anyone with a full-length biography published easily passes our notability guidelines. St Anselm ( talk) 20:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Withdraw nomination per all comments above. Thanks for your time and effort looking at this, Boleyn ( talk) 21:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) St Anselm ( talk) 05:09, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Edmund Hamer Broadbent
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I couldn't establish that he meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG Boleyn ( talk) 11:33, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
- Weak keep - To be sure, he is at best on the very edge of notability. His book "The Pilgrim Church" has earned its reputation among a certain segment of Protestant and Anabaptist churches. I do not know how large the segment of people who appreciate an author's research needs to be, for a person to be "notable." As a part of that "certain segment" who consider his work on church history to be noteworthy, I think he should be included. But, I recognize that the number of us who are aware that Broadbent even existed is in the few tens of thousands at best, thus I cannot argue too hard that he was "notable." Your experience, Boleyn, is certainly broader than mine here on Wikipedia, and I don't want my personal opinion of Broadbent's notability to be used as the criteria for his inclusion. Mikeatnip ( talk) 13:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: Inclusion can be justified by the fact that the book The Pilgrim Church was (and still is) an international success, having been translated at least into French, Spanish, German, Romanian, Croatian, Hungarian, Faroese, Chinese and Korean (see WorldCat). An academic paper on E.H. Broadbent is Tim Grass, "Edmund Hamer Broadbent (1861–1945): Pilgrim Churchman", in: Witness in Many Lands. Leadership and Outreach among the Brethren, ed. by Tim Grass, Troon, UK (Brethren Archivists and Historians Network) 2013, ISBN 9780957017733, pp. 135-145. – Schneid9 ( talk) 15:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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- Weak keep - he has more than passing in Albert W. Wardin, On the Edge: Baptists and Other Free Church Evangelicals in Tsarist Russia, 1855-1917 Wipf and Stock Publishers, Oct 28, 2013. On page 279 of that book, it is referenced that further discussion can be found in two other places, including the George Henry Lang book already cited and W. T. Stunt, Turning the world upside down: a century of missionary endeavour. Upperton Press [for] Echoes of service, 1972 p63-65 (snippet view). The Wardin book on page 453 and 467 imply that there is more to the Broadbent story, and on 467, another source, Wardin, Albert W. Evangelical sectarianism in the Russian Empire and the USSR: a bibliographic guide. No. 36. Scarecrow Pr, 1995. p52-53 (no snippets, but book link is here. While these books have religious publishers, they are all reputable, I think. With a little AGF, this seems to pass GNG. Smmurphy( Talk) 16:21, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
- Strong keep per the biography written by George Henry Lang, published by Paternoster Press. Anyone with a full-length biography published easily passes our notability guidelines. St Anselm ( talk) 20:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Withdraw nomination per all comments above. Thanks for your time and effort looking at this, Boleyn ( talk) 21:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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