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The result was delete. I have excluded the opinion from the paid editor. Also note that not disclosing your client is a TOU violation. Spartaz Humbug! 05:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Eddie Rosenstein
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Lots of sources, virtually none that speak to notability. The few that are reliable and independent do not have much at all in the way of detail. Pretty clearly a WP:GNG fail. Also fails WP:NCREATIVE, as we have no major awards, no seminal body of work, no major reviews of any of the works and no indication that he is considered a leader in his field, by anyone else besides himself and the editor he paid to write this. John from Idegon ( talk) 19:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as failing WP:GNG. For all the references on this article I was unable to find any with GNG passing coverage. That said, it looks like his documentary, The Freedom to Marry is notable if anyone wants to go write that (not that it matters here as notability is not inherited). Winner 42 Talk to me! 20:08, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: sources are nice, but don't substantiate notability in this case. — Javert2113 ( talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 22:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:39, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: Obviously, fails the WP:GNG and WP:FILMMAKER. -- LACaliNYC ✉ 22:40, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: Re: his notability, under WP:FILMMAKER, notability is defined as "3) The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews; 4) The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention..." Unless there is a caveat to this guideline of which I'm unaware (and, if so, please educate me), this guideline confers notability to a creator by virtue of his role, and Rosenstein was the creator and producer of a significant and well-covered body of work.
- Press regarding his body of work: IndieWire: http://www.indiewire.com/2016/05/the-freedom-to-marry-exclusive-trailer-new-documentary-traces-history-of-the-marriage-equality-movement-288709/
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- A review of the film 'Reality People' in the Seattle Post Intelligencer, which Rosenstein co-directed and co-producer: https://www.seattlepi.com/entertainment/tv/amp/Things-are-getting-wild-and-Woolery-on-the-Game-1116879.php
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- A review of 'Waging a Living' in the New York Times. Rosenstein was a Co-Producer and Co-Director. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/08/29/arts/television/29gate.html
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- A NY Times article noting that Rosenstein's film, 'The Gospel According to Mr Allen', won the Audience Award at the "the largest festival of its kind (i.e. documentary film festival) in North America" https://mobile.nytimes.com/2000/04/10/movies/no-swelling-unseen-choruses-just-hard-truth-on-film.html
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- A review in the LA Times of the film, 'A Tickle In the Heart', which Rosenstein produced: http://articles.latimes.com/1997-06-06/entertainment/ca-468_1_popular-klezmer
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- An article in the Washington Post about 'Boatlift', a short film of import, narrated by Tom Hanks, which Rosenstein created: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/new-film-recalls-massive-911-sea-evacuation/2011/09/01/gIQAt4KBuJ_blog.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9978c28a0983
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- An article about the documentary film 'Reality People', which was broadcast on AMC that Rosenstein played co-produced and co-director: http://old.post-gazette.com/tv/20030615tvweektv2.asp
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- Articles in the NY Post and Pittsburgh Post Gazette about Eddie Rosenstein and an 11 part television series he created for the History Channel: https://nypost.com/2008/07/28/inside-sandhogs-nether-nether-land/ and http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/tv-radio/2008/09/07/TV-preview-Sandhogs-digs-for-stories-under-Manhattan/stories/200809070258
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- Ample press about 'The Freedom to Marry', Rosenstein's recent film:
- https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/03/01/the-freedom-to-marry-offers-a-stirring-reminder-that-change-can-be-slow-but-it-does-come/
- https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/review/freedom-marry-985233
- https://www.metro.us/philadelphia/love-and-laughter-at-the-philadelphia-jewish-film-festival/zsJpjE---WVY3lmXs5PhrY
- http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/02/the-freedom-to-marry-ew-review/
- http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/movies/2016/11/16/Movie-Review-The-Freedom-to-Marry-breathes-immediacy-into-marriage-equality/stories/201611160002
- http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-freedom-to-marry-review-20170309-story.html
- https://www.moviemaker.com/archives/moviemaking/directing/the-freedom-to-marry-eddie-rosenstein/
- https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/samesex-marriage-will-happen-in-australia-and-heres-how-the-yes-campaigns-secret-weapon-is-coming/news-story/4092ba0e6b5833adfa75eb1a6c75c76f
- https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-marriage-equality-was-wonand-what-to-learn-from-it
- Ample press about 'The Freedom to Marry', Rosenstein's recent film:
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- In addition to his own work, Jonathan Larson, the creator of 'Rent', based one of the main characters in large part on Rosenstein: http://www.playbill.com/article/audio-exclusive-inspiration-for-rents-mark-remembers-the-last-evening-of-jonathan-larsons-life and http://www.playbill.com/article/the-creation-of-rent-how-jonathan-larson-transformed-an-idea-into-a-groundbreaking-musical
- The collective body of work, his role in those works, and the coverage conveys notability. TK FoOC ( talk) 15:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)Note the above user is accepting compensation from someone who he has not disclosed for his edits related to the article that is being discussed here. John from Idegon ( talk) 03:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. I have excluded the opinion from the paid editor. Also note that not disclosing your client is a TOU violation. Spartaz Humbug! 05:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Eddie Rosenstein
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Lots of sources, virtually none that speak to notability. The few that are reliable and independent do not have much at all in the way of detail. Pretty clearly a WP:GNG fail. Also fails WP:NCREATIVE, as we have no major awards, no seminal body of work, no major reviews of any of the works and no indication that he is considered a leader in his field, by anyone else besides himself and the editor he paid to write this. John from Idegon ( talk) 19:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as failing WP:GNG. For all the references on this article I was unable to find any with GNG passing coverage. That said, it looks like his documentary, The Freedom to Marry is notable if anyone wants to go write that (not that it matters here as notability is not inherited). Winner 42 Talk to me! 20:08, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: sources are nice, but don't substantiate notability in this case. — Javert2113 ( talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 22:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:39, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: Obviously, fails the WP:GNG and WP:FILMMAKER. -- LACaliNYC ✉ 22:40, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: Re: his notability, under WP:FILMMAKER, notability is defined as "3) The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews; 4) The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention..." Unless there is a caveat to this guideline of which I'm unaware (and, if so, please educate me), this guideline confers notability to a creator by virtue of his role, and Rosenstein was the creator and producer of a significant and well-covered body of work.
- Press regarding his body of work: IndieWire: http://www.indiewire.com/2016/05/the-freedom-to-marry-exclusive-trailer-new-documentary-traces-history-of-the-marriage-equality-movement-288709/
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- A review of the film 'Reality People' in the Seattle Post Intelligencer, which Rosenstein co-directed and co-producer: https://www.seattlepi.com/entertainment/tv/amp/Things-are-getting-wild-and-Woolery-on-the-Game-1116879.php
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- A review of 'Waging a Living' in the New York Times. Rosenstein was a Co-Producer and Co-Director. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/08/29/arts/television/29gate.html
-
- A NY Times article noting that Rosenstein's film, 'The Gospel According to Mr Allen', won the Audience Award at the "the largest festival of its kind (i.e. documentary film festival) in North America" https://mobile.nytimes.com/2000/04/10/movies/no-swelling-unseen-choruses-just-hard-truth-on-film.html
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- A review in the LA Times of the film, 'A Tickle In the Heart', which Rosenstein produced: http://articles.latimes.com/1997-06-06/entertainment/ca-468_1_popular-klezmer
-
- An article in the Washington Post about 'Boatlift', a short film of import, narrated by Tom Hanks, which Rosenstein created: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/new-film-recalls-massive-911-sea-evacuation/2011/09/01/gIQAt4KBuJ_blog.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9978c28a0983
-
- An article about the documentary film 'Reality People', which was broadcast on AMC that Rosenstein played co-produced and co-director: http://old.post-gazette.com/tv/20030615tvweektv2.asp
-
- Articles in the NY Post and Pittsburgh Post Gazette about Eddie Rosenstein and an 11 part television series he created for the History Channel: https://nypost.com/2008/07/28/inside-sandhogs-nether-nether-land/ and http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/tv-radio/2008/09/07/TV-preview-Sandhogs-digs-for-stories-under-Manhattan/stories/200809070258
-
- Ample press about 'The Freedom to Marry', Rosenstein's recent film:
- https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/03/01/the-freedom-to-marry-offers-a-stirring-reminder-that-change-can-be-slow-but-it-does-come/
- https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/review/freedom-marry-985233
- https://www.metro.us/philadelphia/love-and-laughter-at-the-philadelphia-jewish-film-festival/zsJpjE---WVY3lmXs5PhrY
- http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/02/the-freedom-to-marry-ew-review/
- http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/movies/2016/11/16/Movie-Review-The-Freedom-to-Marry-breathes-immediacy-into-marriage-equality/stories/201611160002
- http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-freedom-to-marry-review-20170309-story.html
- https://www.moviemaker.com/archives/moviemaking/directing/the-freedom-to-marry-eddie-rosenstein/
- https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/samesex-marriage-will-happen-in-australia-and-heres-how-the-yes-campaigns-secret-weapon-is-coming/news-story/4092ba0e6b5833adfa75eb1a6c75c76f
- https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-marriage-equality-was-wonand-what-to-learn-from-it
- Ample press about 'The Freedom to Marry', Rosenstein's recent film:
-
- In addition to his own work, Jonathan Larson, the creator of 'Rent', based one of the main characters in large part on Rosenstein: http://www.playbill.com/article/audio-exclusive-inspiration-for-rents-mark-remembers-the-last-evening-of-jonathan-larsons-life and http://www.playbill.com/article/the-creation-of-rent-how-jonathan-larson-transformed-an-idea-into-a-groundbreaking-musical
- The collective body of work, his role in those works, and the coverage conveys notability. TK FoOC ( talk) 15:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)Note the above user is accepting compensation from someone who he has not disclosed for his edits related to the article that is being discussed here. John from Idegon ( talk) 03:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.