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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) -- Sam Sailor Talk! 07:54, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Delsey
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Unable to locate any independent sources (only social media and press releases found). Company sources (facebook and company website) indicate founded by Émile Delahaye, but he died (without heirs) either 6 or 41 years before the company was supposedly founded by him. Fails WP:NCORP. Tgeairn ( talk) 00:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm scratching my head on this one. The company apparently exists, but their company history doesn't add up. Even their own history is self-contradictory (see Facebook where they simultaneously say founded in 1911 and 1946, or their DELSEY USA Facebook page which is an apparent duplicate, but does not mention 1911). -- Tgeairn ( talk) 01:05, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
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- Speedy Keep Appears in the Encyclopedia of American Industries, "Delsey is considered to be France's largest luggage manufacturer and among the top three worldwide...". The 1911/1946 dates are explained right at the start of the article, "In 1911, the Etablissements Delahaye specialised in the manufacture of cases for cameras and covered cases for typewriters and record players. Mr. Delahaye and the Seynhaeve brothers joined forces in 1946 to create Delsey." This indicates that the nominator hasn't actually read the article.
Andrew D. (
talk) 12:01, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
-
Andrew:
Contrary to your assertion, I have actually read the article and spent a couple hours going through poorly translated French articles and lists. The passage you quoted in no way explains how
Mr. Delahaye joined forces with anyone in 1946, given that he died in 1905 with no heirs. I explained this concern in the nomination.
Tgeairn (
talk) 13:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Établissements Delahaye was obviously a business which continued long after the founder died. It merged in 1946 with the Seynhaeves and the name of the new business was derived from the combination of their names - DEL + SEY. It seems easy to find more sources in French which confirm this — for example, see
De Mémoire de Marques. All that's needed here is some improvement of the article per our
editing policy. If an issue of this sort is found in an article then a cleanup tag such as {{
contradict}} should be used.
AFD is not cleanup.
Andrew D. (
talk) 13:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Andrew, if you have sources that demonstrate meeting
WP:NCORP, particularly
WP:CORPDEPTH, please provide them. Bad-faith assumptions that the nominator did not read the article or did not follow
WP:BEFORE do not address the notability concerns. Thanks,
Tgeairn (
talk) 17:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- I have already presented multiple sources. Again there seems to be some difficulty in understanding what is already there. Andrew D. ( talk) 17:19, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Andrew, if you have sources that demonstrate meeting
WP:NCORP, particularly
WP:CORPDEPTH, please provide them. Bad-faith assumptions that the nominator did not read the article or did not follow
WP:BEFORE do not address the notability concerns. Thanks,
Tgeairn (
talk) 17:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Établissements Delahaye was obviously a business which continued long after the founder died. It merged in 1946 with the Seynhaeves and the name of the new business was derived from the combination of their names - DEL + SEY. It seems easy to find more sources in French which confirm this — for example, see
De Mémoire de Marques. All that's needed here is some improvement of the article per our
editing policy. If an issue of this sort is found in an article then a cleanup tag such as {{
contradict}} should be used.
AFD is not cleanup.
Andrew D. (
talk) 13:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
-
Andrew:
Contrary to your assertion, I have actually read the article and spent a couple hours going through poorly translated French articles and lists. The passage you quoted in no way explains how
Mr. Delahaye joined forces with anyone in 1946, given that he died in 1905 with no heirs. I explained this concern in the nomination.
Tgeairn (
talk) 13:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam Sing! 10:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam Sing! 10:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep and rewrite - the article is terrible, full of NPOV violations and badly-written COI self-promotion and very light on resources, but Delsey is a household name, market-leading company with worldwide which easily satisfies WP:NCORP if someone can be bothered to put some sources in. Just a couple of quick Google searches for "Delsey luggage", "Delsey market leader", "Delsey household name", etc. bring up dozens of hits from newspapers, magazines, travel websites and trade journals. The issue over the dates of founding of the company is an irrelevant red herring when determining whether the subject of this article satisfies WP:CORP, where I'd say it obviously does. ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ 15:30, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) -- Sam Sailor Talk! 07:54, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Delsey
- Delsey ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Unable to locate any independent sources (only social media and press releases found). Company sources (facebook and company website) indicate founded by Émile Delahaye, but he died (without heirs) either 6 or 41 years before the company was supposedly founded by him. Fails WP:NCORP. Tgeairn ( talk) 00:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm scratching my head on this one. The company apparently exists, but their company history doesn't add up. Even their own history is self-contradictory (see Facebook where they simultaneously say founded in 1911 and 1946, or their DELSEY USA Facebook page which is an apparent duplicate, but does not mention 1911). -- Tgeairn ( talk) 01:05, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA 1000 11:25, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA 1000 11:25, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 05:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 05:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep Appears in the Encyclopedia of American Industries, "Delsey is considered to be France's largest luggage manufacturer and among the top three worldwide...". The 1911/1946 dates are explained right at the start of the article, "In 1911, the Etablissements Delahaye specialised in the manufacture of cases for cameras and covered cases for typewriters and record players. Mr. Delahaye and the Seynhaeve brothers joined forces in 1946 to create Delsey." This indicates that the nominator hasn't actually read the article.
Andrew D. (
talk) 12:01, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
-
Andrew:
Contrary to your assertion, I have actually read the article and spent a couple hours going through poorly translated French articles and lists. The passage you quoted in no way explains how
Mr. Delahaye joined forces with anyone in 1946, given that he died in 1905 with no heirs. I explained this concern in the nomination.
Tgeairn (
talk) 13:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Établissements Delahaye was obviously a business which continued long after the founder died. It merged in 1946 with the Seynhaeves and the name of the new business was derived from the combination of their names - DEL + SEY. It seems easy to find more sources in French which confirm this — for example, see
De Mémoire de Marques. All that's needed here is some improvement of the article per our
editing policy. If an issue of this sort is found in an article then a cleanup tag such as {{
contradict}} should be used.
AFD is not cleanup.
Andrew D. (
talk) 13:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Andrew, if you have sources that demonstrate meeting
WP:NCORP, particularly
WP:CORPDEPTH, please provide them. Bad-faith assumptions that the nominator did not read the article or did not follow
WP:BEFORE do not address the notability concerns. Thanks,
Tgeairn (
talk) 17:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- I have already presented multiple sources. Again there seems to be some difficulty in understanding what is already there. Andrew D. ( talk) 17:19, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Andrew, if you have sources that demonstrate meeting
WP:NCORP, particularly
WP:CORPDEPTH, please provide them. Bad-faith assumptions that the nominator did not read the article or did not follow
WP:BEFORE do not address the notability concerns. Thanks,
Tgeairn (
talk) 17:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Établissements Delahaye was obviously a business which continued long after the founder died. It merged in 1946 with the Seynhaeves and the name of the new business was derived from the combination of their names - DEL + SEY. It seems easy to find more sources in French which confirm this — for example, see
De Mémoire de Marques. All that's needed here is some improvement of the article per our
editing policy. If an issue of this sort is found in an article then a cleanup tag such as {{
contradict}} should be used.
AFD is not cleanup.
Andrew D. (
talk) 13:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
-
Andrew:
Contrary to your assertion, I have actually read the article and spent a couple hours going through poorly translated French articles and lists. The passage you quoted in no way explains how
Mr. Delahaye joined forces with anyone in 1946, given that he died in 1905 with no heirs. I explained this concern in the nomination.
Tgeairn (
talk) 13:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam Sing! 10:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam Sing! 10:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep and rewrite - the article is terrible, full of NPOV violations and badly-written COI self-promotion and very light on resources, but Delsey is a household name, market-leading company with worldwide which easily satisfies WP:NCORP if someone can be bothered to put some sources in. Just a couple of quick Google searches for "Delsey luggage", "Delsey market leader", "Delsey household name", etc. bring up dozens of hits from newspapers, magazines, travel websites and trade journals. The issue over the dates of founding of the company is an irrelevant red herring when determining whether the subject of this article satisfies WP:CORP, where I'd say it obviously does. ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ 15:30, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.