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The result was keep. While needing improvement, consensus is clear that article meets WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) Ifnord ( talk) 02:20, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Debt-trap diplomacy
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Fails WP:OR, WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE. It is speculative, un-academic, biased, un-enciclopedic, with a lot of allegations, assumptions, talking more about what others are saying about, rather than what China is doing, inaccurately presenting commercial (bank) loans/investments in a bad light as if IMF or WB aren't doing the same thing. Daduxing ( talk) 16:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment, nominator's comments appear to reflect that
they dont like it, it looks like a well referenced article reflecting what has been happening over a number of years, a subtler version of
Gunboat diplomacy, oops, but my bias may be showing.
Coolabahapple (
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11:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- oh, and here are some more articles that use/discuss this term: from The Economist - "The perils of China’s “debt-trap diplomacy”", The Australian - "US warns on debt-trap diplomacy", ABC News - "Are China's cheap loans to poor nations a development boost or a debt trap?", BusinessWorld - "Diokno denies PHL exposed to China ‘debt trap’ diplomacy", Business Daily Africa - "Why thinking of China debt trap diplomacy is a fallacy", The Post and Courier - "China’s debt-trap diplomacy hits some potholes". Coolabahapple ( talk) 11:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep but improve for WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE. The topic is widely discussed in media and notable for inclusion, but the article as currently written is heavily dependent on the US-dominated narrative that paints everything that China does in a negative light. Before the recent rise of China, the developing world had long been heavily dependent on the West for loans and not infrequently "trapped" into financial crises, yet the article covers none of the history. As Financial Times has shown, China only holds 20% of Africa's foreign debt (the majority still held by the West), and African public opinion has largely rejected the negative US narrative, see "Why thinking of China debt trap diplomacy is a fallacy", "The language of “debt-trap diplomacy” reflects Western anxieties, not African realities". These views need to be added for balance. - Zanhe ( talk) 00:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
- Strong Keep, a search on the topic shows that its has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Clearly WP:BEFORE was not done prior to the submission of this AfD.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( Moo) 21:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I hadn't heard this specific term but I have heard about this general concept. Seems to be sufficiently referenced. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 03:04, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Likewise - I heard of the concept, not this specific term. Per my BEFORE it is quite clearly notable. There is perhaps room for a rename to Debtbook diplomacy (which is also fairly widely used), and there might be scope for a merge if someone finds a viable topic (e.g. possibly - Checkbook diplomacy (which creates debts) or Commercial diplomacy (less likely)) - but it is fairly obvious that the term is notable. Icewhiz ( talk) 15:04, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep It's a thing. A very real, very notable diplomatic tool. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:55, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Meets WP:GNG. Do a DuckDuckGo search and boom!, the first result is a CNBC report on Chinese debt trap diplomacy and neocolonialism in Latin America. I've added a whole new section to the article as a result. XavierItzm ( talk) 22:18, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. While needing improvement, consensus is clear that article meets WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) Ifnord ( talk) 02:20, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Debt-trap diplomacy
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Fails WP:OR, WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE. It is speculative, un-academic, biased, un-enciclopedic, with a lot of allegations, assumptions, talking more about what others are saying about, rather than what China is doing, inaccurately presenting commercial (bank) loans/investments in a bad light as if IMF or WB aren't doing the same thing. Daduxing ( talk) 16:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA( talk) 08:45, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment, nominator's comments appear to reflect that
they dont like it, it looks like a well referenced article reflecting what has been happening over a number of years, a subtler version of
Gunboat diplomacy, oops, but my bias may be showing.
Coolabahapple (
talk)
11:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- oh, and here are some more articles that use/discuss this term: from The Economist - "The perils of China’s “debt-trap diplomacy”", The Australian - "US warns on debt-trap diplomacy", ABC News - "Are China's cheap loans to poor nations a development boost or a debt trap?", BusinessWorld - "Diokno denies PHL exposed to China ‘debt trap’ diplomacy", Business Daily Africa - "Why thinking of China debt trap diplomacy is a fallacy", The Post and Courier - "China’s debt-trap diplomacy hits some potholes". Coolabahapple ( talk) 11:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep but improve for WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE. The topic is widely discussed in media and notable for inclusion, but the article as currently written is heavily dependent on the US-dominated narrative that paints everything that China does in a negative light. Before the recent rise of China, the developing world had long been heavily dependent on the West for loans and not infrequently "trapped" into financial crises, yet the article covers none of the history. As Financial Times has shown, China only holds 20% of Africa's foreign debt (the majority still held by the West), and African public opinion has largely rejected the negative US narrative, see "Why thinking of China debt trap diplomacy is a fallacy", "The language of “debt-trap diplomacy” reflects Western anxieties, not African realities". These views need to be added for balance. - Zanhe ( talk) 00:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
- Strong Keep, a search on the topic shows that its has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Clearly WP:BEFORE was not done prior to the submission of this AfD.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( Moo) 21:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I hadn't heard this specific term but I have heard about this general concept. Seems to be sufficiently referenced. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 03:04, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Likewise - I heard of the concept, not this specific term. Per my BEFORE it is quite clearly notable. There is perhaps room for a rename to Debtbook diplomacy (which is also fairly widely used), and there might be scope for a merge if someone finds a viable topic (e.g. possibly - Checkbook diplomacy (which creates debts) or Commercial diplomacy (less likely)) - but it is fairly obvious that the term is notable. Icewhiz ( talk) 15:04, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep It's a thing. A very real, very notable diplomatic tool. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:55, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Meets WP:GNG. Do a DuckDuckGo search and boom!, the first result is a CNBC report on Chinese debt trap diplomacy and neocolonialism in Latin America. I've added a whole new section to the article as a result. XavierItzm ( talk) 22:18, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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