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The result was keep. Academic Challenger ( talk) 18:36, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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This one is a bit of a mess. The location given in GNIS is that of Camp deSabla, a campground established for the amusement of PGE employees, or at least used by them now. The "Hupp" whose name previously graced the spot was, according to this history of Butte County, a Mrs. Hupp who started a resort which was the location of the post office. I can't tell whether it was the predecessor of the camp or of another local venue; there are two buildings at the location below the dam where the name also gets applied, but these appear to have to do with the dam; the powerhouse, confusingly, is way off to the west, fed by a long penstock. The upshot is, in spite of the single word "town" in the placenames book, I can't find any evidence that there was a town here, ever. Maybe the dam/powerhouse is notable, but that's a different article. Mangoe ( talk) 06:46, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 06:52, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep: The nearest city of any size to De Sabla is Chico, California, and the Chico newspaper ( Chico Enterprise-Record) refers to De Sabla as a populated place regularly, it clearly appears to be an unincorporated community known by that name. [1]. This 1953 USGS map shows De Sabla at an intersection with a small cluster of buildings, the powerhouse off to the west. [2].-- Milowent • has spoken 17:07, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hmmmmm, now we have a weird problem, in that, if there really was (emphasis was, because there isn't now) a town there, GNIS has the wrong location, because their location is that of the camp. I can't read but two of the articles (paywall), and missed being able to read where the man's residence actually was. That said, I'm increasingly having issues with interpreting locale references as implying that the locales are towns.
Mangoe (
talk)
17:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- It think it has always been an unincorporated community, not a real town, referring to an area on what now is also the northern reaches of Magalia, which is also an unincorporated community. As for the the missing person in 2007, his address is not disclosed in the articles, it just refers to him disappearing "from his De Sabla residence." I've now hit the "max article" paywall for that newspaper too. The California place name book does call it a "town" [3], which seems maybe generous but not uncommon for the Western United States, but I don't see us wanting to delete this based on what I'm finding.-- Milowent • has spoken 18:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hmmmmm, now we have a weird problem, in that, if there really was (emphasis was, because there isn't now) a town there, GNIS has the wrong location, because their location is that of the camp. I can't read but two of the articles (paywall), and missed being able to read where the man's residence actually was. That said, I'm increasingly having issues with interpreting locale references as implying that the locales are towns.
Mangoe (
talk)
17:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Appears to have been an actual community with a post office. Meets GEOLAND. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 02:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Academic Challenger ( talk) 18:36, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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This one is a bit of a mess. The location given in GNIS is that of Camp deSabla, a campground established for the amusement of PGE employees, or at least used by them now. The "Hupp" whose name previously graced the spot was, according to this history of Butte County, a Mrs. Hupp who started a resort which was the location of the post office. I can't tell whether it was the predecessor of the camp or of another local venue; there are two buildings at the location below the dam where the name also gets applied, but these appear to have to do with the dam; the powerhouse, confusingly, is way off to the west, fed by a long penstock. The upshot is, in spite of the single word "town" in the placenames book, I can't find any evidence that there was a town here, ever. Maybe the dam/powerhouse is notable, but that's a different article. Mangoe ( talk) 06:46, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 06:52, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 06:52, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: The nearest city of any size to De Sabla is Chico, California, and the Chico newspaper ( Chico Enterprise-Record) refers to De Sabla as a populated place regularly, it clearly appears to be an unincorporated community known by that name. [1]. This 1953 USGS map shows De Sabla at an intersection with a small cluster of buildings, the powerhouse off to the west. [2].-- Milowent • has spoken 17:07, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hmmmmm, now we have a weird problem, in that, if there really was (emphasis was, because there isn't now) a town there, GNIS has the wrong location, because their location is that of the camp. I can't read but two of the articles (paywall), and missed being able to read where the man's residence actually was. That said, I'm increasingly having issues with interpreting locale references as implying that the locales are towns.
Mangoe (
talk)
17:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- It think it has always been an unincorporated community, not a real town, referring to an area on what now is also the northern reaches of Magalia, which is also an unincorporated community. As for the the missing person in 2007, his address is not disclosed in the articles, it just refers to him disappearing "from his De Sabla residence." I've now hit the "max article" paywall for that newspaper too. The California place name book does call it a "town" [3], which seems maybe generous but not uncommon for the Western United States, but I don't see us wanting to delete this based on what I'm finding.-- Milowent • has spoken 18:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hmmmmm, now we have a weird problem, in that, if there really was (emphasis was, because there isn't now) a town there, GNIS has the wrong location, because their location is that of the camp. I can't read but two of the articles (paywall), and missed being able to read where the man's residence actually was. That said, I'm increasingly having issues with interpreting locale references as implying that the locales are towns.
Mangoe (
talk)
17:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Appears to have been an actual community with a post office. Meets GEOLAND. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 02:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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