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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 00:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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- Daryl Horgan ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Speedy deletion per WP:G4 was declined on the grounds that it seams (sic) like he plays in a professional league now. This is not the case. The League of Ireland is confirmed as not fully pro at WP:FPL. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 16:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 16:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet the notability requirements for a footballer. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:12, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Delete and Salt - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Wasn't notable in 2011. Wasn't notable in 2013. Still playing in the same league in 2016 - he isn't notable now. Fenix down ( talk) 16:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - actually, think I am going to go with keep here on reflection, the goal.com article plus the career summary in an Irish national newspaper as observed by Nfitz indicate wider coverage. Normally, Irish footballers who have not played in an FPL or senior international football would not be notable, but in this case I think GNG is met. Fenix down ( talk) 08:16, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete and SALT - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:46, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - rival manager calls him the best player in the league, 1000s of other League of Ireland players have their own page, few have played in a fully professional league or internationally. Seaninryan ( talk) 13:35, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Not all League of Ireland players are non-notable, international players and those who have played in other leagues that are fully professional, or those that can be shown to pass wider GNG would be notable. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is never an argument to keep an article. Fenix down ( talk) 14:49, 11 August 2016 (UTC) ok m8 Seaninryan ( talk) 19:08, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Article needs work but subject defo notable. Irrelevant about semi-pro. Hundreds of articles on English semi-pro players on Wiki. Horgan has been named in LoI Premier Division Team of the Tear on at least two occasions. Also played for Dundalk in European football this season. They have qualified for group stages of 2016–17 Europa League. Surely this is notable. Djln Djln ( talk) 20:30, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
- This argument is not supported by the relevant notability guidelines, and as previously mentioned other stuff exists is one of the explicitly enumerated arguments to
arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.
Sir Sputnik (
talk)
03:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not really interested in what guidelines say. A subject is either notable or not and I don't need guidelines to tell me so. Plus "guidelines" are guidelines not rules or laws. They are not carved in stone. Horgan plays in top level football in his country and has played in European qualifiers. That is surely notable. If hundreds of other articles on semi-pro footballers exist that sets precedent. Are you advocating we delete every article on semi-pro footballers. Surely not ! Djln Djln ( talk) 11:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - there was quite an extensive profile of him in a national paper a few months ago [1]. Combined with all the media references of the accolades and mentions above, he meets WP:GNG. Nfitz ( talk) 03:50, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - enough third party coverage for Horgan to pass WP:GNG. -- Jimbo [online] 10:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per above arguments; it appears the subject has received enough coverage to pass WP:GNG. Mattythewhite ( talk) 00:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per above passes WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 04:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 00:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
AfDs for this article:
- Daryl Horgan ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Speedy deletion per WP:G4 was declined on the grounds that it seams (sic) like he plays in a professional league now. This is not the case. The League of Ireland is confirmed as not fully pro at WP:FPL. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 16:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 16:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet the notability requirements for a footballer. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:12, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Delete and Salt - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Wasn't notable in 2011. Wasn't notable in 2013. Still playing in the same league in 2016 - he isn't notable now. Fenix down ( talk) 16:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - actually, think I am going to go with keep here on reflection, the goal.com article plus the career summary in an Irish national newspaper as observed by Nfitz indicate wider coverage. Normally, Irish footballers who have not played in an FPL or senior international football would not be notable, but in this case I think GNG is met. Fenix down ( talk) 08:16, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete and SALT - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:46, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - rival manager calls him the best player in the league, 1000s of other League of Ireland players have their own page, few have played in a fully professional league or internationally. Seaninryan ( talk) 13:35, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Not all League of Ireland players are non-notable, international players and those who have played in other leagues that are fully professional, or those that can be shown to pass wider GNG would be notable. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is never an argument to keep an article. Fenix down ( talk) 14:49, 11 August 2016 (UTC) ok m8 Seaninryan ( talk) 19:08, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Article needs work but subject defo notable. Irrelevant about semi-pro. Hundreds of articles on English semi-pro players on Wiki. Horgan has been named in LoI Premier Division Team of the Tear on at least two occasions. Also played for Dundalk in European football this season. They have qualified for group stages of 2016–17 Europa League. Surely this is notable. Djln Djln ( talk) 20:30, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
- This argument is not supported by the relevant notability guidelines, and as previously mentioned other stuff exists is one of the explicitly enumerated arguments to
arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.
Sir Sputnik (
talk)
03:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not really interested in what guidelines say. A subject is either notable or not and I don't need guidelines to tell me so. Plus "guidelines" are guidelines not rules or laws. They are not carved in stone. Horgan plays in top level football in his country and has played in European qualifiers. That is surely notable. If hundreds of other articles on semi-pro footballers exist that sets precedent. Are you advocating we delete every article on semi-pro footballers. Surely not ! Djln Djln ( talk) 11:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - there was quite an extensive profile of him in a national paper a few months ago [1]. Combined with all the media references of the accolades and mentions above, he meets WP:GNG. Nfitz ( talk) 03:50, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - enough third party coverage for Horgan to pass WP:GNG. -- Jimbo [online] 10:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per above arguments; it appears the subject has received enough coverage to pass WP:GNG. Mattythewhite ( talk) 00:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per above passes WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 04:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
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