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The result was keep. The additional time did not hurt, work on article has brought a consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 12:30, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Dživo Frana Sorkočević ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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See article talk page, concerns this individual does not pass the general notability guideline. Jenks24 ( talk) 07:13, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
DeleteI previously did a Google Books search and found very little. I also now checked Croatian sites in general, and found practically nothing (a lot of false positives). -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:19, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
- After I finally found the correct name for the person, establishing notability wasn't so hard - they have an entry in the Croatian Encyclopedia at Sorkočević, Ivan Franatica. Keep -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 21:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 09:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 09:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep. Historical figure. From what is said here, I assume there will be other references--such as the ones in the paper listed as the source.
DGG (
talk )
06:36, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- I should mention that also had I tried to search for that paper, but couldn't find it. Sadly the journal's website only verifies the existence of the paper [1], there's no content. It's somewhat intriguing that they list the title as u prepjevu Franatice Sorkočevića, which is locative, and sounds like the proper name of the topic would be Franatica Sorkočević instead. And then I did a Google Books search for that name and 1701, and voila, [2] - it looks like the name used in our article could be a mistake, which is why it was so unverifiable. *facepalm* Now, that still doesn't obviate the need to investigate whether this new name is actually notable. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 21:44, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep by all means as this historical subject would certainly have better sourcing somewhere, certainly not a deletion priority yet. SwisterTwister talk 06:52, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: this was closed very soon after the last two comments, I took the liberty to undo it because I don't consider that proper procedure. --
Joy [shallot] (
talk)
21:34, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- As I mentioned on my talk page, I won't contest this, but I will note that two wrongs don't make a right. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin: This page has been moved during the deletion discussion and is now at Franatica Sorkočević. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The notability of this is clearly demonstrated by the sources found by User:Joy; which makes me wonder why this is still open. I was going to close it as "keep" myself, because a) the nom is the only delete !vote, and b) the lack of notability arguments seemed to have been based on confusions about the name. Then I noticed the contested close. Anyhow, consensus is IMO pretty clear here. Vanamonde93 ( talk) 08:28, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Badly sourced. Hardly any got links from other articles to it. Only trivial mentions of this person in articles of the wikis where you might expect a full article of him (like the Italian Wiki). Huge improvements might save the article, but I don’t mind if it disappears. Regards, Jeff5102 ( talk) 10:03, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Addition: if someone inserts
this as a source,
I'll withdraw my delete-vote too.After comparing the two, and seeing striking similarities, I might say we got a copyright-issue here. See WP:COPYVIO. Jeff5102 ( talk) 10:22, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Withdrawing my delete vote (nom). This has been a bit of a mess. I think the initial closure was incorrect or at least gave impressions of unfairness, but reopening without consulting the closing admin at first also isn't best practice. In any case, I think anyone with an entry at the Croatian Encyclopedia is notable and it seems sourcing in general is much easier now the subject's common name has been found, so I'm changing my vote to keep. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:16, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The additional time did not hurt, work on article has brought a consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 12:30, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Dživo Frana Sorkočević ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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See article talk page, concerns this individual does not pass the general notability guideline. Jenks24 ( talk) 07:13, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
DeleteI previously did a Google Books search and found very little. I also now checked Croatian sites in general, and found practically nothing (a lot of false positives). -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:19, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
- After I finally found the correct name for the person, establishing notability wasn't so hard - they have an entry in the Croatian Encyclopedia at Sorkočević, Ivan Franatica. Keep -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 21:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 09:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 09:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kharkiv07 ( T) 01:26, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kharkiv07 ( T) 01:26, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. Historical figure. From what is said here, I assume there will be other references--such as the ones in the paper listed as the source.
DGG (
talk )
06:36, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- I should mention that also had I tried to search for that paper, but couldn't find it. Sadly the journal's website only verifies the existence of the paper [1], there's no content. It's somewhat intriguing that they list the title as u prepjevu Franatice Sorkočevića, which is locative, and sounds like the proper name of the topic would be Franatica Sorkočević instead. And then I did a Google Books search for that name and 1701, and voila, [2] - it looks like the name used in our article could be a mistake, which is why it was so unverifiable. *facepalm* Now, that still doesn't obviate the need to investigate whether this new name is actually notable. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 21:44, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep by all means as this historical subject would certainly have better sourcing somewhere, certainly not a deletion priority yet. SwisterTwister talk 06:52, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: this was closed very soon after the last two comments, I took the liberty to undo it because I don't consider that proper procedure. --
Joy [shallot] (
talk)
21:34, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- As I mentioned on my talk page, I won't contest this, but I will note that two wrongs don't make a right. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin: This page has been moved during the deletion discussion and is now at Franatica Sorkočević. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The notability of this is clearly demonstrated by the sources found by User:Joy; which makes me wonder why this is still open. I was going to close it as "keep" myself, because a) the nom is the only delete !vote, and b) the lack of notability arguments seemed to have been based on confusions about the name. Then I noticed the contested close. Anyhow, consensus is IMO pretty clear here. Vanamonde93 ( talk) 08:28, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Badly sourced. Hardly any got links from other articles to it. Only trivial mentions of this person in articles of the wikis where you might expect a full article of him (like the Italian Wiki). Huge improvements might save the article, but I don’t mind if it disappears. Regards, Jeff5102 ( talk) 10:03, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Addition: if someone inserts
this as a source,
I'll withdraw my delete-vote too.After comparing the two, and seeing striking similarities, I might say we got a copyright-issue here. See WP:COPYVIO. Jeff5102 ( talk) 10:22, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Withdrawing my delete vote (nom). This has been a bit of a mess. I think the initial closure was incorrect or at least gave impressions of unfairness, but reopening without consulting the closing admin at first also isn't best practice. In any case, I think anyone with an entry at the Croatian Encyclopedia is notable and it seems sourcing in general is much easier now the subject's common name has been found, so I'm changing my vote to keep. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:16, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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