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The result was Keep. Nomination withdrawn [1]. Eluchil404 ( talk) 00:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)( non-admin closure)
Cups (suit)
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The articles Cups (suit), Coins (suit), Batons (suit), Swords (suit) were created in 2019, duplicating longstanding content at Suit of cups, Suit of coins, Suit of wands, and Suit of swords, respectively. They should be merged if they have anything new. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge all 4 (as nom) using the old names, including moving Suit of goblets back to Suit of cups, where it was before Bermicourt made a disambig to distinguish his new from the old; they should really be one. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- This copied-and-pasted rationale is visibly faulty. Cups (suit) is not a duplicate of Suit of cups. The latter is a disambiguation between Cups (suit) and Suit of goblets. And those two are not duplicates on their faces, either. Cups (suit) is (it says) about playing cards and Suit of goblets is (it says) about Tarot cards. Uncle G ( talk) 09:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep but do not merge. These are two distinct topics. Although occultists based their suits on those of the Italian pattern of playing cards, they broke away over 200 years ago to produce their own packs purely for cartomantic purposes. So the article on the suit of cups is specifically about the playing cards, whereas the one on the suit of goblets is purely about cartomantic cards. They have different designs and uses with almost no crossover. The same is true of batons and wands, coins and pentacles, etc. We have been slowly untangling the mess caused by combining them, but there is more to do. They could all be named Foo (suit) or we could make it clear by calling them e.g. Foo (playing card suit) and Foo (cartomantic suit). HTH. Bermicourt ( talk) 16:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- OK, I relent and sorry I didn't find how best to do all 4 at once. Feel free to close 'em. Dicklyon ( talk) 04:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep of all four articles, per withdrawal by nominator, above. RecycledPixels ( talk) 08:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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The result was Keep. Nomination withdrawn [1]. Eluchil404 ( talk) 00:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)( non-admin closure)
Cups (suit)
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The articles Cups (suit), Coins (suit), Batons (suit), Swords (suit) were created in 2019, duplicating longstanding content at Suit of cups, Suit of coins, Suit of wands, and Suit of swords, respectively. They should be merged if they have anything new. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge all 4 (as nom) using the old names, including moving Suit of goblets back to Suit of cups, where it was before Bermicourt made a disambig to distinguish his new from the old; they should really be one. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- This copied-and-pasted rationale is visibly faulty. Cups (suit) is not a duplicate of Suit of cups. The latter is a disambiguation between Cups (suit) and Suit of goblets. And those two are not duplicates on their faces, either. Cups (suit) is (it says) about playing cards and Suit of goblets is (it says) about Tarot cards. Uncle G ( talk) 09:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep but do not merge. These are two distinct topics. Although occultists based their suits on those of the Italian pattern of playing cards, they broke away over 200 years ago to produce their own packs purely for cartomantic purposes. So the article on the suit of cups is specifically about the playing cards, whereas the one on the suit of goblets is purely about cartomantic cards. They have different designs and uses with almost no crossover. The same is true of batons and wands, coins and pentacles, etc. We have been slowly untangling the mess caused by combining them, but there is more to do. They could all be named Foo (suit) or we could make it clear by calling them e.g. Foo (playing card suit) and Foo (cartomantic suit). HTH. Bermicourt ( talk) 16:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- OK, I relent and sorry I didn't find how best to do all 4 at once. Feel free to close 'em. Dicklyon ( talk) 04:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep of all four articles, per withdrawal by nominator, above. RecycledPixels ( talk) 08:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.