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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Cowgirl (magazine)
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Fails WP:GNG. Search finds no significant coverage in reliable independent sources. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 19:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - as other editors have mentioned due to WP:GNG. BogLogs ( talk) 09:28, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - As per nominator, fails WP:GNG. ProofRobust 21:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The Wyoming Livestock Roundup website is about the only thing I can find [1] and it's perhaps not a RS. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:38, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The two sources provided are an advertisement and an article by a local publication. The only other mention of the subject that I can found is in this article from Journal Advocate, which apparently is a local newspaper in Colorado. The subject does not seem to meet WP:GNG with the information currently gathered. Tutwakhamoe ( talk) 00:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - As the creating editor, I felt the magazine passed the fifth criteria point on Notability (media) or
WP:NMEDIA. The point states "significant publications in ethnic and other non-trivial niche markets." Westerns, equestrian & hanching are a big culture both in the US and globally. A circulation of 180,000 per issue is why I felt it demonstrated it was a significant publication in this industry.
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12:51, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- The source that was provided for the 180,000 circulation claim seem to be a promotional material for the magazine itself, which does not count as a reliable source. It'll be better to use multiple independent sources to prove the significance of the subject.
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14:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- That is a fair comment, as you mentioned I don’t think it’s one of those magazines that would pass GNG, but let me see if I can find anything more reliable for the circulation in the coming days. Streamingsteve ( talk) 15:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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— rsjaffe 🗣️ 15:29, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- The source that was provided for the 180,000 circulation claim seem to be a promotional material for the magazine itself, which does not count as a reliable source. It'll be better to use multiple independent sources to prove the significance of the subject.
Tutwakhamoe (
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14:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. ProQuest turned up this nice description in River Teeth Journal: "Cowgirl Magazine features the same things most women’s magazines do—fashion, lifestyle tips, recipes—for a distinctly cowgirl audience. Think pink saddles and spur straps, romance-novel book reviews, and antelope-meat recipes." There is also this local newspaper article in Montana about a woman who was photographed for Cowgirl. But that's about it. Otherwise, as others have mentioned, there are articles mentioning various accolades people have received from Cowgirl Magazine, but those are passing mentions at best. (And yes, general advice would be, WP:GNG is generally the "safest" starting point when you are starting out, and/or try to get more experience in editing existing articles so you get a better feel for what is out there. There are plenty of articles that need help.) Cielquiparle ( talk) 10:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: i tried to see if the Alliance for Audited Media audits their circulation numbers, and couldn't find anything useful. I created Farm Journal earlier this year, and since it is well over 100 years old, i was able to find coverage--but it was surprising to me that a magazine of its circulation size gets so little attention. Just a few newspaper profiles about Cowgirls would do the trick, but I'm not finding any.-- Milowent • has spoken 19:50, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not able to find a reliable source thoroughly discussing this magazine online. Nythar ( 💬- ❄️) 02:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Cowgirl (magazine)
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Fails WP:GNG. Search finds no significant coverage in reliable independent sources. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 19:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Women and
United States of America. —
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19:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - as other editors have mentioned due to WP:GNG. BogLogs ( talk) 09:28, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - As per nominator, fails WP:GNG. ProofRobust 21:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The Wyoming Livestock Roundup website is about the only thing I can find [1] and it's perhaps not a RS. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:38, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The two sources provided are an advertisement and an article by a local publication. The only other mention of the subject that I can found is in this article from Journal Advocate, which apparently is a local newspaper in Colorado. The subject does not seem to meet WP:GNG with the information currently gathered. Tutwakhamoe ( talk) 00:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - As the creating editor, I felt the magazine passed the fifth criteria point on Notability (media) or
WP:NMEDIA. The point states "significant publications in ethnic and other non-trivial niche markets." Westerns, equestrian & hanching are a big culture both in the US and globally. A circulation of 180,000 per issue is why I felt it demonstrated it was a significant publication in this industry.
Streamingsteve (
talk)
12:51, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- The source that was provided for the 180,000 circulation claim seem to be a promotional material for the magazine itself, which does not count as a reliable source. It'll be better to use multiple independent sources to prove the significance of the subject.
Tutwakhamoe (
talk)
14:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- That is a fair comment, as you mentioned I don’t think it’s one of those magazines that would pass GNG, but let me see if I can find anything more reliable for the circulation in the coming days. Streamingsteve ( talk) 15:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
-
WP:NMEDIA is an essay, not a policy, and is merely the opinion of the person writing it.
It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints.
— rsjaffe 🗣️ 15:29, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- The source that was provided for the 180,000 circulation claim seem to be a promotional material for the magazine itself, which does not count as a reliable source. It'll be better to use multiple independent sources to prove the significance of the subject.
Tutwakhamoe (
talk)
14:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. ProQuest turned up this nice description in River Teeth Journal: "Cowgirl Magazine features the same things most women’s magazines do—fashion, lifestyle tips, recipes—for a distinctly cowgirl audience. Think pink saddles and spur straps, romance-novel book reviews, and antelope-meat recipes." There is also this local newspaper article in Montana about a woman who was photographed for Cowgirl. But that's about it. Otherwise, as others have mentioned, there are articles mentioning various accolades people have received from Cowgirl Magazine, but those are passing mentions at best. (And yes, general advice would be, WP:GNG is generally the "safest" starting point when you are starting out, and/or try to get more experience in editing existing articles so you get a better feel for what is out there. There are plenty of articles that need help.) Cielquiparle ( talk) 10:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: i tried to see if the Alliance for Audited Media audits their circulation numbers, and couldn't find anything useful. I created Farm Journal earlier this year, and since it is well over 100 years old, i was able to find coverage--but it was surprising to me that a magazine of its circulation size gets so little attention. Just a few newspaper profiles about Cowgirls would do the trick, but I'm not finding any.-- Milowent • has spoken 19:50, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not able to find a reliable source thoroughly discussing this magazine online. Nythar ( 💬- ❄️) 02:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
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