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Keep Conor Lamb is an active U.S. House of Representatives candidate in an upcoming special election in Pennsylvania's 18th Congressional District scheduled for later this year, and Lamb has been nominated by one of the two major U.S. political parties in the special election in question. Lamb's candidacy has received considerable traditional media coverage, as others have noted.
KeepThis individual is the current candidate for a US Congressional seat. When this article was first created last month, he received coverage by publications such as the Washington Post and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. In the past few weeks, his candidacy has been covered by The New York Post, Daily Beast, CNN, Fox News, Mother Jones, Washington Examiner.
Strong delete The coverage has nothing to do with Lamb, it is coverage of a special election, which happens with all special elections, since they are looked to as potential bell-weathers and referendums on various administrations. The coverage of Lamb as such is routine, and does not change the fact that canddiates for congress have been long agreed to be non-notable.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
04:22, 17 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Except you've just made an argument to delete this. All of this coverage is coverage of the election centered on Conor Lamb. In the case of the Times, they are covering the two respective nominations with a focus on Lamb (as he's the underdog). Also, the Times you linked to is a newspaper in
Beaver, Pennsylvania owned by
GateHouse Media in
Perinton, New York.--
Mpen320 (
talk)
00:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
WP:NPOL3. states that mere candidates "can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of 'significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article'." and we do keep candidates when a race is drawing sufficient non-local attention,
Tim Canova and
Lee Busby come to mind.
E.M.Gregory (
talk)
10:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
I have read
WP:NPOL3. Tim Canova had a scholarly career as a law professor in addition to prior activism outside of his campaign. His article also has 41 citations covering both his campaign and prior activism. By contrast Lamb's article has 13 citations. The only citation that does not cite the race itself is a WaPo article that cites a brief quote from Captain Lamb with no other elaboration.--
Mpen320 (
talk)
23:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The references determine notability, not the job title. No one is arguing that his job title is inherently notable. --
RAN (
talk)
00:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)reply
He was not a United States Attorney. He was an Assistant United States Attorney. A district's United States Attorney is a presidential appointment. An Assistant United States Attorney is a civil service appointment. For more on the subject see
United States Attorney.--
Mpen320 (
talk)
23:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete Doesn't meet
WP:NPOL. The only claim of notability is as a candidate in a special election (assistant US attorneys generally aren't notable), and it's not a particularly high-profile special election.
power~enwiki (
π,
ν)
03:42, 23 December 2017 (UTC)reply
I would note that he continues to receive national coverage. See
here and
here. His coverage is wiread and while he is WP:N. While his WP:N comes form one event, the amount of coverage clearly justifies an article on his on. I think this should be keep.
Keep Easily meets GNG. Salon, Reuters, Washington Post, etc. Coverage includes role as Assistant U.S. Attorney, as well as congressional candidate. BLP1E does not apply. --
RexxS (
talk)
19:45, 21 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep. Definitely keep. I'm shocked to see this even be proposed for deletion. Should Wikipedia have deleted the page on Doug Jones a month before that special election? -
Gregory N, 3:28 PM EST 1/22/18 —Preceding
undated comment added
20:30, 22 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Connor Lamb seems to me to meet the
WP:GNG. The article itself also seems reasonably well-sourced from a mix of respectable news outlets and has been expanded and improved since initial nomination for deletion.
Williw (
talk)
00:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)reply
(I moved this from talk page --
MB298 (
talk) 23:12, 25 January 2018 (UTC)): "Keep- I regularly wiki politicians to see what their education, work life, positions are. I do not live in Pennsylvania, so maybe I don't belong in this discussion... However, I do follow politics pretty closely, and am extremely grateful when I can get a bio on somebody. Young, yes...politically untried, okay...but please keep the info out there for people who do research candidates. Not being diligent in looking at the character of a candidate is not a good thing for a politically active person.--
Barbbuxtonnc (
talk)
22:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)"reply
We currently have eleven KEEP comments in a row. Is that enough to close this discussion and remove the 'Considered for deletion' box from the top of Lamb's page? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Gregory N (
talk •
contribs)
Keep Considering he's currently got a reasonable % chance - around 39% according to Predict It [2] of being elected to congress in 7 weeks, definitely makes sense to keep the article for now - would suggest revisiting after the special election
Keep. Lamb has currently got a good chance of being elected to Congress, and the special election has attracted a lot of attention so far, with the DCCC and NRCC spending and Trump himself campaigning here.
District101 (
talk)
22:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Keep Conor Lamb is an active U.S. House of Representatives candidate in an upcoming special election in Pennsylvania's 18th Congressional District scheduled for later this year, and Lamb has been nominated by one of the two major U.S. political parties in the special election in question. Lamb's candidacy has received considerable traditional media coverage, as others have noted.
KeepThis individual is the current candidate for a US Congressional seat. When this article was first created last month, he received coverage by publications such as the Washington Post and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. In the past few weeks, his candidacy has been covered by The New York Post, Daily Beast, CNN, Fox News, Mother Jones, Washington Examiner.
Strong delete The coverage has nothing to do with Lamb, it is coverage of a special election, which happens with all special elections, since they are looked to as potential bell-weathers and referendums on various administrations. The coverage of Lamb as such is routine, and does not change the fact that canddiates for congress have been long agreed to be non-notable.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
04:22, 17 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Except you've just made an argument to delete this. All of this coverage is coverage of the election centered on Conor Lamb. In the case of the Times, they are covering the two respective nominations with a focus on Lamb (as he's the underdog). Also, the Times you linked to is a newspaper in
Beaver, Pennsylvania owned by
GateHouse Media in
Perinton, New York.--
Mpen320 (
talk)
00:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
WP:NPOL3. states that mere candidates "can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of 'significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article'." and we do keep candidates when a race is drawing sufficient non-local attention,
Tim Canova and
Lee Busby come to mind.
E.M.Gregory (
talk)
10:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
I have read
WP:NPOL3. Tim Canova had a scholarly career as a law professor in addition to prior activism outside of his campaign. His article also has 41 citations covering both his campaign and prior activism. By contrast Lamb's article has 13 citations. The only citation that does not cite the race itself is a WaPo article that cites a brief quote from Captain Lamb with no other elaboration.--
Mpen320 (
talk)
23:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The references determine notability, not the job title. No one is arguing that his job title is inherently notable. --
RAN (
talk)
00:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)reply
He was not a United States Attorney. He was an Assistant United States Attorney. A district's United States Attorney is a presidential appointment. An Assistant United States Attorney is a civil service appointment. For more on the subject see
United States Attorney.--
Mpen320 (
talk)
23:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete Doesn't meet
WP:NPOL. The only claim of notability is as a candidate in a special election (assistant US attorneys generally aren't notable), and it's not a particularly high-profile special election.
power~enwiki (
π,
ν)
03:42, 23 December 2017 (UTC)reply
I would note that he continues to receive national coverage. See
here and
here. His coverage is wiread and while he is WP:N. While his WP:N comes form one event, the amount of coverage clearly justifies an article on his on. I think this should be keep.
Keep Easily meets GNG. Salon, Reuters, Washington Post, etc. Coverage includes role as Assistant U.S. Attorney, as well as congressional candidate. BLP1E does not apply. --
RexxS (
talk)
19:45, 21 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep. Definitely keep. I'm shocked to see this even be proposed for deletion. Should Wikipedia have deleted the page on Doug Jones a month before that special election? -
Gregory N, 3:28 PM EST 1/22/18 —Preceding
undated comment added
20:30, 22 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Connor Lamb seems to me to meet the
WP:GNG. The article itself also seems reasonably well-sourced from a mix of respectable news outlets and has been expanded and improved since initial nomination for deletion.
Williw (
talk)
00:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)reply
(I moved this from talk page --
MB298 (
talk) 23:12, 25 January 2018 (UTC)): "Keep- I regularly wiki politicians to see what their education, work life, positions are. I do not live in Pennsylvania, so maybe I don't belong in this discussion... However, I do follow politics pretty closely, and am extremely grateful when I can get a bio on somebody. Young, yes...politically untried, okay...but please keep the info out there for people who do research candidates. Not being diligent in looking at the character of a candidate is not a good thing for a politically active person.--
Barbbuxtonnc (
talk)
22:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)"reply
We currently have eleven KEEP comments in a row. Is that enough to close this discussion and remove the 'Considered for deletion' box from the top of Lamb's page? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Gregory N (
talk •
contribs)
Keep Considering he's currently got a reasonable % chance - around 39% according to Predict It [2] of being elected to congress in 7 weeks, definitely makes sense to keep the article for now - would suggest revisiting after the special election
Keep. Lamb has currently got a good chance of being elected to Congress, and the special election has attracted a lot of attention so far, with the DCCC and NRCC spending and Trump himself campaigning here.
District101 (
talk)
22:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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