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The result was no consensus. There appears to be significant coverage in local sources, but no consensus on whether there exists one non-trivial, non-local reliable source. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:40, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
ConBravo!
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I tried to reduce this page to a somewhat less-spammy nature and was reverted in significant part (this is my usual course of action for a topic which is not obviously notable). At present, it reproduces content mostly available in non-independent sources, which is thin at best. I am quite doubtful as to it being a notable topic. Izno ( talk) 18:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Weak delete seems to be a non-notable convention. While it's had some minor personalities speak, that doesn't convey notability, and the only coverage seems to be in local publications. There's a CBC article, but it's an interview of an attendee, not coverage of the convention itself. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep Additional sourcing -
ConBravo festival celebrates everything geek,
ConBravo! helping to grow Hamilton’s creative community,
Con Bravo in Hamilton – Day Three with Linkara and more! There seems to just be enough sources to justify keeping it. Article needs almost a complete reconstruction, there's a lot of problems with it.
Esw01407 (
talk)
20:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ehhh,
WP:AUD (part of NORG) leans away from using local sources. --
Izno (
talk)
20:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, especially with Anime, there are very few in-industry sources doing convention converge (it doesn't make money), so it's often down to local sources for coverage. Tribute though seems to have significant publication numbers. Esw01407 ( talk) 20:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ehhh,
WP:AUD (part of NORG) leans away from using local sources. --
Izno (
talk)
20:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP Along with what Esw01407 found [1] has a news bit, you can read it and click the video to see them covering it in person even. The coverage isn't just for one location, its multiple locations. This is a notable conference since it gets coverage everywhere it appears at. Dream Focus 18:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 07:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 07:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The above-mentioned WP:AUD requires at least one non-local source. The Hamilton Spectator, CHCH, Burlington Post, AM900 CHML and Inside Halton all seem to be local. tribute.ca is national, but I don't think it can be considered reliable. The Cinemassacre source is a blog post. The CBC interview with Mara Wilson doesn't discuss the convention in-depth, that isn't significant coverage. As such, I think the sources we have simply aren't strong enough evidence of notability. PJvanMill ( talk) 10:47, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep. This event is certainly notable and should be kept, but it just needs a few more independent sources. Captain Galaxy ( talk) 14:08, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Speedy Keep Does this need to be relisted for eternity? There are enough arguments to keep it, and while it may need more sources, that is not a valid reason to delete it. Add a tag to the article for editors to add more sources and keep it. -- Micky ( talk) 03:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)Blocked sockpuppet Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 03:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep It appears to me that the subject passes GNG based on the sources. ★Trekker ( talk) 22:17, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as a non-notable convention failing WP:GNG/ WP:ORG with insufficiently in-depth reliable (arguably not) independent sources. The local news coverage is too brief and not in-depth. Being local, it's almost expected it would get routinely covered this way, but no sources "beyond" that. For something that has been going on for many years, I would expect a much broader and in-depth coverage to demonstrate notability. With a couple more sources, it would probably meet the minimum, but I don't believe it does yet. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 09:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I could have closed as delete but am relisting to give those who feel it should be kept an opportunity to address the concerns around WP:AUD advanced by those who have suggested it be deleted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 03:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I could have closed as delete but am relisting to give those who feel it should be kept an opportunity to address the concerns around WP:AUD advanced by those who have suggested it be deleted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 03:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Close as no consensus: There's enough sources to justify this article, even if they are not national sources. This AFD is not moving forward at this point.
, I'd prefer to see it revisited later.Esw01407 ( talk) 12:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)- The exact point is that there's not enough sources of the expected quality. We also do not
preempt the appearance of sources. --
Izno (
talk)
00:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how
WP:CRYSTALBALL applies to this at all, can you please explain?
Esw01407 (
talk)
00:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
I'd prefer to see it revisited later
implies you believe the sourcing situation will improve at a later date. We should not guess as such. -- Izno ( talk) 01:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)- I will revise my comments to remove any implications then. I still hold the sourcing is sufficient, probably better then enough.
Esw01407 (
talk)
01:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
-
Esw01407, in that case, not to put too fine a point on it, I would strongly suggest you explain how the sourcing satisfies
WP:AUD because the consensus, including by some who favor keeping, suggests that it does not. This would then, on a weighted consensus basis, lead to a delete outcome. As noted in my relist I believe that delete consensus currently exists and anytime after 7 days an AfD may be closed when consensus exists. I relisted in an attempt to give you and others who favor keeping a chance to change that consensus but merely holding that sourcing is sufficient will not change it.
Barkeep49 (
talk)
01:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Tribute.ca, which has three articles on events that happened at the 2017 Con Bravo, is part of Tribute Entertainment Media Group. Its main publication has wide distribution in Canada. AM900 CHML falls under Globalnews.ca/Corus Entertainment, a large scale Canadian "mass media and entertainment conglomerate" according to Wikipedia itself. insidehalton is part of the larger Metroland Media Group with numerous newspapers. CHCH, Hamilton Spectator (also part of Metroland Media Group), and Humber News would be the local sources backing up the article. While some of these sources do not have the most depth, they further back up the article's notability. Esw01407 ( talk) 03:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
-
Esw01407, in that case, not to put too fine a point on it, I would strongly suggest you explain how the sourcing satisfies
WP:AUD because the consensus, including by some who favor keeping, suggests that it does not. This would then, on a weighted consensus basis, lead to a delete outcome. As noted in my relist I believe that delete consensus currently exists and anytime after 7 days an AfD may be closed when consensus exists. I relisted in an attempt to give you and others who favor keeping a chance to change that consensus but merely holding that sourcing is sufficient will not change it.
Barkeep49 (
talk)
01:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I will revise my comments to remove any implications then. I still hold the sourcing is sufficient, probably better then enough.
Esw01407 (
talk)
01:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how
WP:CRYSTALBALL applies to this at all, can you please explain?
Esw01407 (
talk)
00:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- The exact point is that there's not enough sources of the expected quality. We also do not
preempt the appearance of sources. --
Izno (
talk)
00:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. There appears to be significant coverage in local sources, but no consensus on whether there exists one non-trivial, non-local reliable source. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:40, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
ConBravo!
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I tried to reduce this page to a somewhat less-spammy nature and was reverted in significant part (this is my usual course of action for a topic which is not obviously notable). At present, it reproduces content mostly available in non-independent sources, which is thin at best. I am quite doubtful as to it being a notable topic. Izno ( talk) 18:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Izno ( talk) 18:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 18:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 18:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Weak delete seems to be a non-notable convention. While it's had some minor personalities speak, that doesn't convey notability, and the only coverage seems to be in local publications. There's a CBC article, but it's an interview of an attendee, not coverage of the convention itself. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep Additional sourcing -
ConBravo festival celebrates everything geek,
ConBravo! helping to grow Hamilton’s creative community,
Con Bravo in Hamilton – Day Three with Linkara and more! There seems to just be enough sources to justify keeping it. Article needs almost a complete reconstruction, there's a lot of problems with it.
Esw01407 (
talk)
20:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ehhh,
WP:AUD (part of NORG) leans away from using local sources. --
Izno (
talk)
20:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, especially with Anime, there are very few in-industry sources doing convention converge (it doesn't make money), so it's often down to local sources for coverage. Tribute though seems to have significant publication numbers. Esw01407 ( talk) 20:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ehhh,
WP:AUD (part of NORG) leans away from using local sources. --
Izno (
talk)
20:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP Along with what Esw01407 found [1] has a news bit, you can read it and click the video to see them covering it in person even. The coverage isn't just for one location, its multiple locations. This is a notable conference since it gets coverage everywhere it appears at. Dream Focus 18:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 07:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 07:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The above-mentioned WP:AUD requires at least one non-local source. The Hamilton Spectator, CHCH, Burlington Post, AM900 CHML and Inside Halton all seem to be local. tribute.ca is national, but I don't think it can be considered reliable. The Cinemassacre source is a blog post. The CBC interview with Mara Wilson doesn't discuss the convention in-depth, that isn't significant coverage. As such, I think the sources we have simply aren't strong enough evidence of notability. PJvanMill ( talk) 10:47, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep. This event is certainly notable and should be kept, but it just needs a few more independent sources. Captain Galaxy ( talk) 14:08, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Speedy Keep Does this need to be relisted for eternity? There are enough arguments to keep it, and while it may need more sources, that is not a valid reason to delete it. Add a tag to the article for editors to add more sources and keep it. -- Micky ( talk) 03:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)Blocked sockpuppet Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 03:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 20:32, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep It appears to me that the subject passes GNG based on the sources. ★Trekker ( talk) 22:17, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as a non-notable convention failing WP:GNG/ WP:ORG with insufficiently in-depth reliable (arguably not) independent sources. The local news coverage is too brief and not in-depth. Being local, it's almost expected it would get routinely covered this way, but no sources "beyond" that. For something that has been going on for many years, I would expect a much broader and in-depth coverage to demonstrate notability. With a couple more sources, it would probably meet the minimum, but I don't believe it does yet. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 09:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I could have closed as delete but am relisting to give those who feel it should be kept an opportunity to address the concerns around WP:AUD advanced by those who have suggested it be deleted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 03:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I could have closed as delete but am relisting to give those who feel it should be kept an opportunity to address the concerns around WP:AUD advanced by those who have suggested it be deleted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 03:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Close as no consensus: There's enough sources to justify this article, even if they are not national sources. This AFD is not moving forward at this point.
, I'd prefer to see it revisited later.Esw01407 ( talk) 12:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)- The exact point is that there's not enough sources of the expected quality. We also do not
preempt the appearance of sources. --
Izno (
talk)
00:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how
WP:CRYSTALBALL applies to this at all, can you please explain?
Esw01407 (
talk)
00:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
I'd prefer to see it revisited later
implies you believe the sourcing situation will improve at a later date. We should not guess as such. -- Izno ( talk) 01:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)- I will revise my comments to remove any implications then. I still hold the sourcing is sufficient, probably better then enough.
Esw01407 (
talk)
01:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
-
Esw01407, in that case, not to put too fine a point on it, I would strongly suggest you explain how the sourcing satisfies
WP:AUD because the consensus, including by some who favor keeping, suggests that it does not. This would then, on a weighted consensus basis, lead to a delete outcome. As noted in my relist I believe that delete consensus currently exists and anytime after 7 days an AfD may be closed when consensus exists. I relisted in an attempt to give you and others who favor keeping a chance to change that consensus but merely holding that sourcing is sufficient will not change it.
Barkeep49 (
talk)
01:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Tribute.ca, which has three articles on events that happened at the 2017 Con Bravo, is part of Tribute Entertainment Media Group. Its main publication has wide distribution in Canada. AM900 CHML falls under Globalnews.ca/Corus Entertainment, a large scale Canadian "mass media and entertainment conglomerate" according to Wikipedia itself. insidehalton is part of the larger Metroland Media Group with numerous newspapers. CHCH, Hamilton Spectator (also part of Metroland Media Group), and Humber News would be the local sources backing up the article. While some of these sources do not have the most depth, they further back up the article's notability. Esw01407 ( talk) 03:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
-
Esw01407, in that case, not to put too fine a point on it, I would strongly suggest you explain how the sourcing satisfies
WP:AUD because the consensus, including by some who favor keeping, suggests that it does not. This would then, on a weighted consensus basis, lead to a delete outcome. As noted in my relist I believe that delete consensus currently exists and anytime after 7 days an AfD may be closed when consensus exists. I relisted in an attempt to give you and others who favor keeping a chance to change that consensus but merely holding that sourcing is sufficient will not change it.
Barkeep49 (
talk)
01:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I will revise my comments to remove any implications then. I still hold the sourcing is sufficient, probably better then enough.
Esw01407 (
talk)
01:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how
WP:CRYSTALBALL applies to this at all, can you please explain?
Esw01407 (
talk)
00:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- The exact point is that there's not enough sources of the expected quality. We also do not
preempt the appearance of sources. --
Izno (
talk)
00:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.