The result was speedy delete for the same reason as in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clyde Lucas. It was a straight copy and paste of the subject's own copyrighted autobiography the last time. It's a straight copy and paste of the subject's own copyrighted autobiography, with some of the sentences lightly touched up, this time. Uncle G ( talk) 12:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC) reply
Consensus? I'm not sure how best to proceed with this. The article seems to have been created and almost solely edited by the subject himself, creating problems with WP:AUTOBIO and WP:YOURSELF, as well as WP:OR. It takes the form almost exclusively of a resumé or list of credits ( WP:STYLE). It has no inline citations ( WP:IC). Virtually all of the references are either to disputed areas of IMDb sourcing ( WP:RS, WP:CIMDb), or to self-published promotional websites ( WP:SPS). While I have no doubt that the credits listed are reasonably accurate, and I have myself encountered the subject's name online outside WP, (albeit only through his own promotional efforts, personal appearances, or other non-citable publications), I am concerned about the issues of style, self-promotion, verifiability, and notability that this article raises. (It should be noted that the Clyde Lucas described in this article is NOT either of the rather more famous Clyde Lucases, the big-band era orchestra leader or the jazz drummer, neither of whom have articles despite being considerably better known in their times.) I do not object to the article remaining, but I think these issues need to be addressed. It is extremely difficult to research WP-accepted citations on this subject in order to provide proper inline cites, since almost everything available online seems to have been created by Mr. Lucas, and from the tone of the article and the almost invariable editing by a single ISP, such would seem to be the case with the article itself. How do we best address such a situation? Monkeyzpop ( talk) 00:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC) reply
The result was speedy delete for the same reason as in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clyde Lucas. It was a straight copy and paste of the subject's own copyrighted autobiography the last time. It's a straight copy and paste of the subject's own copyrighted autobiography, with some of the sentences lightly touched up, this time. Uncle G ( talk) 12:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC) reply
Consensus? I'm not sure how best to proceed with this. The article seems to have been created and almost solely edited by the subject himself, creating problems with WP:AUTOBIO and WP:YOURSELF, as well as WP:OR. It takes the form almost exclusively of a resumé or list of credits ( WP:STYLE). It has no inline citations ( WP:IC). Virtually all of the references are either to disputed areas of IMDb sourcing ( WP:RS, WP:CIMDb), or to self-published promotional websites ( WP:SPS). While I have no doubt that the credits listed are reasonably accurate, and I have myself encountered the subject's name online outside WP, (albeit only through his own promotional efforts, personal appearances, or other non-citable publications), I am concerned about the issues of style, self-promotion, verifiability, and notability that this article raises. (It should be noted that the Clyde Lucas described in this article is NOT either of the rather more famous Clyde Lucases, the big-band era orchestra leader or the jazz drummer, neither of whom have articles despite being considerably better known in their times.) I do not object to the article remaining, but I think these issues need to be addressed. It is extremely difficult to research WP-accepted citations on this subject in order to provide proper inline cites, since almost everything available online seems to have been created by Mr. Lucas, and from the tone of the article and the almost invariable editing by a single ISP, such would seem to be the case with the article itself. How do we best address such a situation? Monkeyzpop ( talk) 00:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC) reply