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The result was Keep. There appears to be a consensus that she meets WP:NACTOR and that non-English sources appear to exist. There also appears to be a consensus that the article needs work, but deletion is not clean up. Sheldybett's explaination for relisting does not make sense. ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) problem solving 17:33, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
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No real valid sources and/or secondary sources, notability not established Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 21:30, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Supportas per own nom. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 21:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)- I can only find 2 sources related to her. Too little to prove notability?
Oshawott 12 ==()==
Talk to me! 21:36, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Struck duplicate !vote from nominator; the nomination is considered as your !vote. However, feel free to comment all you'd like. See WP:AFDFORMAT for more information. North America 1000 04:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
- I can only find 2 sources related to her. Too little to prove notability?
Oshawott 12 ==()==
Talk to me! 21:36, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I believe that she meets
WP:NACTOR, which specifically mentions voice actors, as she #1 "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions", and, from what I can see of the German search results, also #2 "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." I don't know how you show that, outside sources related to the films or shows there are fans of. One source I found is an article about stars and their German voice dubbers, ' Synchronsprecher: Star und Stimme - Jippie-jaja, Schweinebacke!' in the Süddeutsche Zeitung
[1]. I also note that this is a fairly new article, and some information has been removed as being unsourced. The source I found does have some of that information, so I could put it back in the article. There may well be other sources - I don't have access to older German newspapers and magazines, for example. What are the sources you found, Oshawott?
RebeccaGreen (
talk) 23:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Via Google News. Both were in German, and the rest was unrelated (maybe? I don’t know because it was in German). Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 09:01, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I have checked the English-language titles of all the films listed, and corrected them and the links to Wikipedia articles about those films. As it was translated from the German Wikipedia article, many of the titles were translations of the German titles, and often quite different from the original English title. I note that only 3 of the 69 listed films are not notable (in the sense of having a Wikipedia article about them). RebeccaGreen ( talk) 13:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
- That’s great, but we do need secondary sources for all of them. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 00:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment Obviously, the only valid sources available were for her in German websites, but I feel that most of the films listed have citations, just not directly. Lafayette Baguette talk 17:48, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
- If you can find citations, do it. If not, we might delete it due to lack of cites. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 03:56, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep She meets WP:NACTOR. There is no doubt that she exists and has had numerous significant roles. The article does need better sourcing, but AfD is not clean-up. Google News throws up more than a page of material that could be used to support material in this article. Bondegezou ( talk) 20:37, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
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- Question for relister @ Sheldybett: WP:RELIST recommends not relisting a third time, but asks that if you do, you explain it. So, could you please note why you relisted this discussion for a third time? Bakazaka ( talk) 17:57, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- CommentBecause of the consensus have not reached even Bondegezou after second relist has yet to still stand out. Sheldybett ( talk) 01:55, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
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The result was Keep. There appears to be a consensus that she meets WP:NACTOR and that non-English sources appear to exist. There also appears to be a consensus that the article needs work, but deletion is not clean up. Sheldybett's explaination for relisting does not make sense. ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) problem solving 17:33, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
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No real valid sources and/or secondary sources, notability not established Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 21:30, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Supportas per own nom. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 21:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)- I can only find 2 sources related to her. Too little to prove notability?
Oshawott 12 ==()==
Talk to me! 21:36, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Struck duplicate !vote from nominator; the nomination is considered as your !vote. However, feel free to comment all you'd like. See WP:AFDFORMAT for more information. North America 1000 04:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
- I can only find 2 sources related to her. Too little to prove notability?
Oshawott 12 ==()==
Talk to me! 21:36, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I believe that she meets
WP:NACTOR, which specifically mentions voice actors, as she #1 "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions", and, from what I can see of the German search results, also #2 "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." I don't know how you show that, outside sources related to the films or shows there are fans of. One source I found is an article about stars and their German voice dubbers, ' Synchronsprecher: Star und Stimme - Jippie-jaja, Schweinebacke!' in the Süddeutsche Zeitung
[1]. I also note that this is a fairly new article, and some information has been removed as being unsourced. The source I found does have some of that information, so I could put it back in the article. There may well be other sources - I don't have access to older German newspapers and magazines, for example. What are the sources you found, Oshawott?
RebeccaGreen (
talk) 23:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Via Google News. Both were in German, and the rest was unrelated (maybe? I don’t know because it was in German). Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 09:01, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I have checked the English-language titles of all the films listed, and corrected them and the links to Wikipedia articles about those films. As it was translated from the German Wikipedia article, many of the titles were translations of the German titles, and often quite different from the original English title. I note that only 3 of the 69 listed films are not notable (in the sense of having a Wikipedia article about them). RebeccaGreen ( talk) 13:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
- That’s great, but we do need secondary sources for all of them. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 00:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment Obviously, the only valid sources available were for her in German websites, but I feel that most of the films listed have citations, just not directly. Lafayette Baguette talk 17:48, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
- If you can find citations, do it. If not, we might delete it due to lack of cites. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 03:56, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep She meets WP:NACTOR. There is no doubt that she exists and has had numerous significant roles. The article does need better sourcing, but AfD is not clean-up. Google News throws up more than a page of material that could be used to support material in this article. Bondegezou ( talk) 20:37, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sheldybett ( talk) 10:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
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- Question for relister @ Sheldybett: WP:RELIST recommends not relisting a third time, but asks that if you do, you explain it. So, could you please note why you relisted this discussion for a third time? Bakazaka ( talk) 17:57, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- CommentBecause of the consensus have not reached even Bondegezou after second relist has yet to still stand out. Sheldybett ( talk) 01:55, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
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