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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Chris Bell (director)
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Does not appear to meet notability criteria for WP:FILMMAKER and for WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lethweimaster ( talk • contribs)
- Weak Keep There are some interviews from LA Times and Pacific Stabdard involving the subject, and some of his works are notable enough to have their own articles. But the Wikipedia article itself is written like a promotion. If the article did not get rewritten into a more unbiased manner, and if more sources weren't given by next week, then it's recommended to be deleted. Tutwakhamoe ( talk) 17:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Leaning towards Delete I basically agree with Tutwakhamoe. While the films seem to be notable for a page, I dont think he has enough of a body of work for his own page. You could argue either way but, the way the page is written currently and cited is terrible. Using IMDB and Linkedin to source info is not acceptable at all. I doubt anyone not affiliated with him will take enough interest to save this page. If someone does some work and can find articles, i would consider keeping it but, as it stands it could almost be nominated for a speedy deletion. ScienceAdvisor ( talk) 21:35, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and California. Shellwood ( talk) 21:47, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, already lacks enough sources for WP:BLP and I could find few sources of value online. TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 20:38, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep there's an article in the LA Times [1] and this about his Prescription Thugs film at Tribeca in the Hollywood Reporter [2]. Could perhaps merge to one of his films, Prescription Thugs seems to have some coverage, but no article here on wiki. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:31, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep, This director is successful as he is known for directing documentaries that have been successful. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 22:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment—I just took a look at the page views (traffic) for all the articles at Chris Bell, and Chris Bell (director) had the 3rd highest traffic among the biography articles on that dab page; higher were Chris Bell (American musician) and Christopher Bell (racing driver). I did this to see whether the set of names abstracted from the dab to go on the Bell (surname) page were the highest trafficked - and I changed which were listed based on my findings --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:00, 21 December 2022 (UTC) P.S. the 4th page with the most traffic was a politician, Chris Bell (politician).
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep—Though it appears that Bell is currently only notable via his directorial activity on an acclaimed documentary, I'm thinking that there might be sufficient content related to his motivations around co-writing and directing this documentary to justify keeping the article. I've made some additions to the article, which can be seen via this diff link (this is the full diff between nomination and my last contribution). --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Leaning keep Two of Bell's films have been reviewed by The New York Times ( 1, 2), The Los Angeles Times ( 3, 4), and Variety ( 5, 6), among other publications. Mooonswimmer 23:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep None of the individual sources are particularly strong, but I think that the sum total of them just scrapes by to meet WP:NBIO. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:50, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- Soft Keep As per Mooonswimmer reference and it qualify as per WP:NBIO. Princek2019 ( talk) 08:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Chris Bell (director)
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Does not appear to meet notability criteria for WP:FILMMAKER and for WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lethweimaster ( talk • contribs)
- Weak Keep There are some interviews from LA Times and Pacific Stabdard involving the subject, and some of his works are notable enough to have their own articles. But the Wikipedia article itself is written like a promotion. If the article did not get rewritten into a more unbiased manner, and if more sources weren't given by next week, then it's recommended to be deleted. Tutwakhamoe ( talk) 17:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Leaning towards Delete I basically agree with Tutwakhamoe. While the films seem to be notable for a page, I dont think he has enough of a body of work for his own page. You could argue either way but, the way the page is written currently and cited is terrible. Using IMDB and Linkedin to source info is not acceptable at all. I doubt anyone not affiliated with him will take enough interest to save this page. If someone does some work and can find articles, i would consider keeping it but, as it stands it could almost be nominated for a speedy deletion. ScienceAdvisor ( talk) 21:35, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and California. Shellwood ( talk) 21:47, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, already lacks enough sources for WP:BLP and I could find few sources of value online. TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 20:38, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep there's an article in the LA Times [1] and this about his Prescription Thugs film at Tribeca in the Hollywood Reporter [2]. Could perhaps merge to one of his films, Prescription Thugs seems to have some coverage, but no article here on wiki. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:31, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep, This director is successful as he is known for directing documentaries that have been successful. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 22:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment—I just took a look at the page views (traffic) for all the articles at Chris Bell, and Chris Bell (director) had the 3rd highest traffic among the biography articles on that dab page; higher were Chris Bell (American musician) and Christopher Bell (racing driver). I did this to see whether the set of names abstracted from the dab to go on the Bell (surname) page were the highest trafficked - and I changed which were listed based on my findings --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:00, 21 December 2022 (UTC) P.S. the 4th page with the most traffic was a politician, Chris Bell (politician).
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep—Though it appears that Bell is currently only notable via his directorial activity on an acclaimed documentary, I'm thinking that there might be sufficient content related to his motivations around co-writing and directing this documentary to justify keeping the article. I've made some additions to the article, which can be seen via this diff link (this is the full diff between nomination and my last contribution). --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Leaning keep Two of Bell's films have been reviewed by The New York Times ( 1, 2), The Los Angeles Times ( 3, 4), and Variety ( 5, 6), among other publications. Mooonswimmer 23:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep None of the individual sources are particularly strong, but I think that the sum total of them just scrapes by to meet WP:NBIO. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:50, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- Soft Keep As per Mooonswimmer reference and it qualify as per WP:NBIO. Princek2019 ( talk) 08:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
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