- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to List of chess variants#Chance and incomplete information. Whether and what to merge is up to editors. Sandstein 11:35, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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This video game has not yet been the subject of discussion in multiple reliable independent verifiable sources anywhere. The only references provided are to the subject's own website (2) and to another site that only shows a schedule of play (1). We have no subject-specific notability guidelines for video games, and this one does not appear to meet our General Notability Guidelines. A loose necktie ( talk) 22:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 22:14, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be a clear fail of WP:GNG, Wikipedia is not a promotional tool. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 23:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - doesn't make the cut for WP:GNG. Tony Fox (arf!) 04:39, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Added in additional sources to improve quality. SomeChess ( talk) 10:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have looked at these sources. One of them is once again to the Choker website-- this is exactly the kind of source that may not be used here because it lacks independence from the subject. The second one, however, to Poker Tube, may be legitimate. It has in depth discussion, and appears to be independent. I do not know how reliable the source is, but it may mean that the subject now qualifies as notable after all. You will need to find at least one more source like this to satisfy the "multiple" part of
WP:GNG. Am withholding judgement pending more input here.
A loose necktie (
talk)
15:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Added in an additional source and removed any direct website sources owned by Choker SomeChess ( talk) 19:16, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have looked at these sources. One of them is once again to the Choker website-- this is exactly the kind of source that may not be used here because it lacks independence from the subject. The second one, however, to Poker Tube, may be legitimate. It has in depth discussion, and appears to be independent. I do not know how reliable the source is, but it may mean that the subject now qualifies as notable after all. You will need to find at least one more source like this to satisfy the "multiple" part of
WP:GNG. Am withholding judgement pending more input here.
A loose necktie (
talk)
15:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NVG. I didn't find much on Google except press releases. JMB1980 ( talk) 18:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I originally nominated this article for deletion, but given the changes made to it since then, it appears to pass WP:GNG. A loose necktie ( talk) 15:43, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith ( talk | contribs) 01:58, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of chess variants#Chance and incomplete information. Not finding enough coverage for a stand alone article. I added a mention of Choker to the list of chess variants and think it's a reasonable alternative to deletion.
Qwaiiplayer (
talk)
13:14, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'll also note that the Verge source reads like no more than a press release/advertisement. Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 13:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect per above. @ A loose necktie PerryPerryD Talk To Me 14:31, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge as the previous voters have stated. Sources 1-3 are more or less primary, while source 5 is, as stated above, basically an advertisement. While there is information about the subject, it is very difficult to maintain NPOV using the sources currently on the article. A web search turned up
[1], which could help maintain NPOV, as it has a short section criticizing the app for bugginess. However, this leaves ~1.5 sources counting towards GNG, not of especially high quality, which is not enough for me.
Toadspike (
talk)
16:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- A merge may be a bit too much as stated by Qwaiiplayer, A simple redirect should safice. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 17:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to List of chess variants#Chance and incomplete information. Whether and what to merge is up to editors. Sandstein 11:35, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Choker (video game) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This video game has not yet been the subject of discussion in multiple reliable independent verifiable sources anywhere. The only references provided are to the subject's own website (2) and to another site that only shows a schedule of play (1). We have no subject-specific notability guidelines for video games, and this one does not appear to meet our General Notability Guidelines. A loose necktie ( talk) 22:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 22:14, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be a clear fail of WP:GNG, Wikipedia is not a promotional tool. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 23:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - doesn't make the cut for WP:GNG. Tony Fox (arf!) 04:39, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Added in additional sources to improve quality. SomeChess ( talk) 10:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have looked at these sources. One of them is once again to the Choker website-- this is exactly the kind of source that may not be used here because it lacks independence from the subject. The second one, however, to Poker Tube, may be legitimate. It has in depth discussion, and appears to be independent. I do not know how reliable the source is, but it may mean that the subject now qualifies as notable after all. You will need to find at least one more source like this to satisfy the "multiple" part of
WP:GNG. Am withholding judgement pending more input here.
A loose necktie (
talk)
15:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Added in an additional source and removed any direct website sources owned by Choker SomeChess ( talk) 19:16, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have looked at these sources. One of them is once again to the Choker website-- this is exactly the kind of source that may not be used here because it lacks independence from the subject. The second one, however, to Poker Tube, may be legitimate. It has in depth discussion, and appears to be independent. I do not know how reliable the source is, but it may mean that the subject now qualifies as notable after all. You will need to find at least one more source like this to satisfy the "multiple" part of
WP:GNG. Am withholding judgement pending more input here.
A loose necktie (
talk)
15:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NVG. I didn't find much on Google except press releases. JMB1980 ( talk) 18:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I originally nominated this article for deletion, but given the changes made to it since then, it appears to pass WP:GNG. A loose necktie ( talk) 15:43, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith ( talk | contribs) 01:58, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of chess variants#Chance and incomplete information. Not finding enough coverage for a stand alone article. I added a mention of Choker to the list of chess variants and think it's a reasonable alternative to deletion.
Qwaiiplayer (
talk)
13:14, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'll also note that the Verge source reads like no more than a press release/advertisement. Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 13:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect per above. @ A loose necktie PerryPerryD Talk To Me 14:31, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge as the previous voters have stated. Sources 1-3 are more or less primary, while source 5 is, as stated above, basically an advertisement. While there is information about the subject, it is very difficult to maintain NPOV using the sources currently on the article. A web search turned up
[1], which could help maintain NPOV, as it has a short section criticizing the app for bugginess. However, this leaves ~1.5 sources counting towards GNG, not of especially high quality, which is not enough for me.
Toadspike (
talk)
16:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- A merge may be a bit too much as stated by Qwaiiplayer, A simple redirect should safice. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 17:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.