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Keep I agree with the argument that Chinese nationalism is different than imperialism. Since China is in fact an empire under the guise of a nation-state, I think that this article is appropriate. 4-25-05
What kind of argument is 'no need'? This article is on a specific topic of imperialism. It may not be a topic of interest for someone reading the overall China article. And yes, there is a clear goal, very clear, of 'Chinese imperialism'. Keep
Keep or merge For gods sake the writer seems to have put a huge amount of work into this, give them some respect. Brianreddy
How about merging Yuje's work into an existing article like
Chinese nationalism? --
ran (
talk) 02:14, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
Keep No merge necessary. Nationalism is a different topic than
Imperialism. Furthermore, Wikipedia shouldn't have double standards. These lists of Imperialism exist for other nations, especially the US and Europe. See the
Imperialism page for more details. By the way, it doesn't cost Wikipedia any money to have another page on a specific topic. Asian history and politics in general is neglected, this would help it. Ran did a good job IMHO.
Keep Adding everything that is vaguely related to the history of China (a huge topic) together on a single page is clearly a bad idea, better keep this article and link it from
History of China.
I found it useful and it should be kept.
Keep No reason to delete. Nothing wrong with the article.
Merge with
China and
History of China. The existence of this separate article clearly has a POV goal of asserting that China is now and has long been an imperialist nation.
Blackcats 11:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Blackcats, by your logic, other pages would have to be deleted that have clearly "POV goals". If this page is deleted, than the duplicate articles on "US imperialism" should be as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_imperialism or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._foreign_interventions_since_1945 Any suggestion that China is imperialist is immediatey brought up for deletion, while different standards of proof are held for other nations. Why is that? So what exactly is the standard for deletion at Wikipedia? (And don't point me to the FAQ about it, I have read it. I mean the standards the Admins are using.)
Keep Imperialism is not nationalism.
Lapsed Pacifist 05:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Strong Keep Chinese Imperialism dates back to several millenia. It is one of the most complete eras of history. --
TheAznSensation 04:44, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep This seems to be a factual, well-researched article, and I cannot see any justification for either the nomination for deletion or the 'needs attention' tag. --
Lhedbor 20:25, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This poll is closed. Survived VFD.--
DavidStevenson 21:33, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Keep I agree with the argument that Chinese nationalism is different than imperialism. Since China is in fact an empire under the guise of a nation-state, I think that this article is appropriate. 4-25-05
What kind of argument is 'no need'? This article is on a specific topic of imperialism. It may not be a topic of interest for someone reading the overall China article. And yes, there is a clear goal, very clear, of 'Chinese imperialism'. Keep
Keep or merge For gods sake the writer seems to have put a huge amount of work into this, give them some respect. Brianreddy
How about merging Yuje's work into an existing article like
Chinese nationalism? --
ran (
talk) 02:14, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
Keep No merge necessary. Nationalism is a different topic than
Imperialism. Furthermore, Wikipedia shouldn't have double standards. These lists of Imperialism exist for other nations, especially the US and Europe. See the
Imperialism page for more details. By the way, it doesn't cost Wikipedia any money to have another page on a specific topic. Asian history and politics in general is neglected, this would help it. Ran did a good job IMHO.
Keep Adding everything that is vaguely related to the history of China (a huge topic) together on a single page is clearly a bad idea, better keep this article and link it from
History of China.
I found it useful and it should be kept.
Keep No reason to delete. Nothing wrong with the article.
Merge with
China and
History of China. The existence of this separate article clearly has a POV goal of asserting that China is now and has long been an imperialist nation.
Blackcats 11:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Blackcats, by your logic, other pages would have to be deleted that have clearly "POV goals". If this page is deleted, than the duplicate articles on "US imperialism" should be as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_imperialism or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._foreign_interventions_since_1945 Any suggestion that China is imperialist is immediatey brought up for deletion, while different standards of proof are held for other nations. Why is that? So what exactly is the standard for deletion at Wikipedia? (And don't point me to the FAQ about it, I have read it. I mean the standards the Admins are using.)
Keep Imperialism is not nationalism.
Lapsed Pacifist 05:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Strong Keep Chinese Imperialism dates back to several millenia. It is one of the most complete eras of history. --
TheAznSensation 04:44, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep This seems to be a factual, well-researched article, and I cannot see any justification for either the nomination for deletion or the 'needs attention' tag. --
Lhedbor 20:25, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This poll is closed. Survived VFD.--
DavidStevenson 21:33, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.