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Delete - Again, Chamaki probably does exist (otherwise an IP editor wouldn't have added the detail about the church and the place being inhabited by Assyrians) but no reliable sources show it to be a legally-recognised populated place.
FOARP (
talk)
18:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)reply
The church is a reality.
There were and are Christians in Iran. Nevertheless, this ābādī has been completely abandoned. Again the ābādī may be notable only because of its church, so maybe moving the page and making the article about a church is a better approach than deleting it.
4nn1l2 (
talk)
23:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I think that if we can, we should. English language sources are suggestive. Perhaps there are even better ones in Persian.
Uncle G (
talk)
09:13, 10 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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4nn1l2: Being abandoned acutally makes a case for meeting
WP:GEOLAND: Even abandoned places can be notable, because notability encompasses their entire history. — Alexis Jazz (
talk or ping me)
10:33, 17 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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4nn1l2: There's a church, some freak occurrences aside that means it's near certain the place was inhabited at some point. It's very unfortunate the IP didn't add a source. I tried searching, but the language barrier prevents me from finding anything. Is there any older census publicly available? — Alexis Jazz (
talk or ping me)
00:45, 18 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Alexis Jazz: As I
told you before, I love your resilience :-) Everyone is so done with Iranian abadis (me in two projects, fawiki discussions really got on my nerves), but you still continue! Anyway, yes, this abadi can be saved, as 33 people in 7 families lived there, according to the 1986 census. See
page 51, line No. 33 (25th line if you count from above). Unfortunately all data are in
Eastern Arabic numerals, so you may have difficulty reading them.
Here is the same file from an official website (not Commons).
4nn1l2 (
talk)
01:12, 18 April 2021 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Delete - Again, Chamaki probably does exist (otherwise an IP editor wouldn't have added the detail about the church and the place being inhabited by Assyrians) but no reliable sources show it to be a legally-recognised populated place.
FOARP (
talk)
18:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)reply
The church is a reality.
There were and are Christians in Iran. Nevertheless, this ābādī has been completely abandoned. Again the ābādī may be notable only because of its church, so maybe moving the page and making the article about a church is a better approach than deleting it.
4nn1l2 (
talk)
23:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I think that if we can, we should. English language sources are suggestive. Perhaps there are even better ones in Persian.
Uncle G (
talk)
09:13, 10 April 2021 (UTC)reply
@
4nn1l2: Being abandoned acutally makes a case for meeting
WP:GEOLAND: Even abandoned places can be notable, because notability encompasses their entire history. — Alexis Jazz (
talk or ping me)
10:33, 17 April 2021 (UTC)reply
@
4nn1l2: There's a church, some freak occurrences aside that means it's near certain the place was inhabited at some point. It's very unfortunate the IP didn't add a source. I tried searching, but the language barrier prevents me from finding anything. Is there any older census publicly available? — Alexis Jazz (
talk or ping me)
00:45, 18 April 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Alexis Jazz: As I
told you before, I love your resilience :-) Everyone is so done with Iranian abadis (me in two projects, fawiki discussions really got on my nerves), but you still continue! Anyway, yes, this abadi can be saved, as 33 people in 7 families lived there, according to the 1986 census. See
page 51, line No. 33 (25th line if you count from above). Unfortunately all data are in
Eastern Arabic numerals, so you may have difficulty reading them.
Here is the same file from an official website (not Commons).
4nn1l2 (
talk)
01:12, 18 April 2021 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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