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The result was no consensus. Definitely it's not a delete. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 05:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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No references available. Unremarkable location and unclear what is significant about it. Adamgerber80 ( talk) 17:41, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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Comment. The article says the subject is a human settlement. If that can be verified, the subject would be notable per WP:GEOLAND. However, an initial search only finds that the local Catholic archdiocese notes it as the location of a church and a school. Census of India has no entry for this place. • Gene93k ( talk) 10:58, 28 August 2017 (UTC)- Delete
WP:GEOLAND says that
...legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable
emphasis in original, and this village would fail to be "legally recognized" based on the Census of India information. Lacking that, it fails to qualify for notability under WP:GNG. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:52, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep – Meets WP:GEOLAND as per being a populated, legally recognized place. Covered in the 1961 Census of India. North America 1000 01:07, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
References
- Office of the Registrar (1968). Census of India, 1961: Kerala. Census of India, 1961. Manager of Publications. p. 364. Retrieved September 4, 2017.
- Keep. Satisfies GEOLAND per find by Northamerica1000. A Google Books search confirms that the village was recognized in the 1961 Census of India, and notability does not expire. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:30, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I am not very sure if using the 1961 census directly is a good idea here. Based on what I managed to find:
- The preview on Google books only shows one match of the name in the index, but no other matches. We don't know any corresponding information about the place such as district and coordinates.
- At the time of the 1961 census, the areas were not systematically named and the ward level census data published often used the nearest rough locality name. A census ward itself is not so much a populated place as it is a temporary administrative division. (Since 2001 however, the census carries actual geographical data with village names).
- There is actually another place with a similar name "Chakkara kadavu" or "Chakkara kadavu pally" in Alappuzha. However, this article talks about a locality in Vypin (for which I am unable to find references beyond the Syro-Malabar church information). Would be good if someone can help to research this.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 01:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Cherai. Please see my comment above for a background. I have now researched more and it seems to be a locality in
Cherai. For example,
- [1], the website of the Ernakulam rural police mentions "Chakkarakadavu Church, Cherai"
- [2], the website of Kerala state educations shows "Chakkarakadavu St. George's LPS" in Cherai
- [3] Article from manjooranfamily.com says "..sending them to a hideout at the remote, primitive, sleepy hamlet of Chakkarakadavu, later known as Cherai. This safe haven was at the newly-formed island of Vypin..." While this may not exactly be a reliable source like a book/newspaper, it nonetheless explains the local history. Based on the above, a redirect to Cherai seems to be a good option.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 15:49, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as per arguments above
Egaoblai (
talk)
10:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Egaoblai. Did you mean to write a redirect? According to my arguments above I asked for a redirect because it is essentially another name for the same town.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 15:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 05:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Definitely it's not a delete. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 05:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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No references available. Unremarkable location and unclear what is significant about it. Adamgerber80 ( talk) 17:41, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 18:13, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 10:46, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Comment. The article says the subject is a human settlement. If that can be verified, the subject would be notable per WP:GEOLAND. However, an initial search only finds that the local Catholic archdiocese notes it as the location of a church and a school. Census of India has no entry for this place. • Gene93k ( talk) 10:58, 28 August 2017 (UTC)- Delete
WP:GEOLAND says that
...legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable
emphasis in original, and this village would fail to be "legally recognized" based on the Census of India information. Lacking that, it fails to qualify for notability under WP:GNG. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:52, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep – Meets WP:GEOLAND as per being a populated, legally recognized place. Covered in the 1961 Census of India. North America 1000 01:07, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
References
- Office of the Registrar (1968). Census of India, 1961: Kerala. Census of India, 1961. Manager of Publications. p. 364. Retrieved September 4, 2017.
- Keep. Satisfies GEOLAND per find by Northamerica1000. A Google Books search confirms that the village was recognized in the 1961 Census of India, and notability does not expire. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:30, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I am not very sure if using the 1961 census directly is a good idea here. Based on what I managed to find:
- The preview on Google books only shows one match of the name in the index, but no other matches. We don't know any corresponding information about the place such as district and coordinates.
- At the time of the 1961 census, the areas were not systematically named and the ward level census data published often used the nearest rough locality name. A census ward itself is not so much a populated place as it is a temporary administrative division. (Since 2001 however, the census carries actual geographical data with village names).
- There is actually another place with a similar name "Chakkara kadavu" or "Chakkara kadavu pally" in Alappuzha. However, this article talks about a locality in Vypin (for which I am unable to find references beyond the Syro-Malabar church information). Would be good if someone can help to research this.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 01:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Cherai. Please see my comment above for a background. I have now researched more and it seems to be a locality in
Cherai. For example,
- [1], the website of the Ernakulam rural police mentions "Chakkarakadavu Church, Cherai"
- [2], the website of Kerala state educations shows "Chakkarakadavu St. George's LPS" in Cherai
- [3] Article from manjooranfamily.com says "..sending them to a hideout at the remote, primitive, sleepy hamlet of Chakkarakadavu, later known as Cherai. This safe haven was at the newly-formed island of Vypin..." While this may not exactly be a reliable source like a book/newspaper, it nonetheless explains the local history. Based on the above, a redirect to Cherai seems to be a good option.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 15:49, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as per arguments above
Egaoblai (
talk)
10:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Egaoblai. Did you mean to write a redirect? According to my arguments above I asked for a redirect because it is essentially another name for the same town.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 15:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 05:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 05:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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