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Not a notable list subject. The flags have nothing in common (the countries do of course), the "official" union flags have no notability nor any evidence that they are official.
Fram (
talk)
12:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak conditional keep: I would have said 'Delete' were it not for the inclusion of pan-Celtic flags, which makes me think that the entry, with a lot of work (especially more context on the flags, which do not appear on the main entries, also to illustrate their significance, if they have any) and possibly a renaming, could be repurposed to something more alike the
Nordic cross flag entry._MB190417_ (
talk)
12:58, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Additional comment: Just in light of subsequent discussion to say that in my view, the only redeeming feature of the entry is the pan-Celtic flags (i.e. flags representing all Celtic nations; if and only if such flags can be proved to be notable). A Flags of Celtic Nations entry without these flags would be no more than a list of Celtic nations/regions and I'd be surprised if it survived an AfD. _MB190417_ (
talk)
14:28, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
@
MB190417, If it were to be like
Nordic cross flag it would technically be about "
triskelion flags", as that is the element shared by all three pan-Celtic flags but not in most of the Celtic nations ones (though IOM has a legged version). But an article on three proposed unofficial flags (I find no evidence of official use) that happen to use the same icon, probably does not meet notability guidelines. And could easily be in other articles, including
triskelion or
pan-Celticism.
IOM and
Sicily are already at
triskelion, not sure whether than pan-Celtic ones should be though as they're unofficial (from my searches). DankJae20:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep needs some references adding to it but seems notable and probably needs the flags of other recognised Celtic areas added to the page. Would probably rename to Flags of Celtic Nations.--
MartyTheArty (
talk)
13:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete - this OR and Synthesis to me. What is the definition of a "Celtic Flag"? Appears to be a list of flags of so-called Celtic regions and nations.
Spleodrach (
talk)
13:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
None of the sources seem to address this though (some show or list the individual flags), nor do they address the pan-celtic flags at first sight. Can you indicate which of your sources actually discuss "celtic flags"? Something like
this doesn't even mention the word flag (nor does it show one), and neither does
this one, so their value for this article (never mind to determine notability) seems very limited at best.
Fram (
talk)
15:11, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. This article is, in effect, a list. Ostensibly a list of flags of Celtic nations. Unless
WP:NLIST can be demonstrated, to the extent that all of the list members are discussed "as a group or set by independent reliable sources", I don't see how I could recommend anything other than deletion. Any
alternatives to deletion (like redirecting and covering in the
Celtic nations article) might apply to other titles (like the proposed "
Flags of Celtic Nations"). But not the current
Celtic flags title. As there is no indication that this term has any established meaning. (Certainly all of the refs in the article deal with the concept of the
Celtic nations. Not the concept of "Celtic flags").
Guliolopez (
talk)
16:03, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete, per above. Rarely any lists nor articles on cultural flags or flags of a broad cultural category, flags already largely present at
Celtic Nations,
Pan-Celticism and
Flags of Europe. Not sure what the article means by official in the Pan-celtic section, a image search using the flags and the source description do not indicate any official use by any organisation. Therefore not notable enough to categorise by cultural grouping and quite a bit
WP:SYNTH. DankJae20:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Not a notable list subject. The flags have nothing in common (the countries do of course), the "official" union flags have no notability nor any evidence that they are official.
Fram (
talk)
12:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak conditional keep: I would have said 'Delete' were it not for the inclusion of pan-Celtic flags, which makes me think that the entry, with a lot of work (especially more context on the flags, which do not appear on the main entries, also to illustrate their significance, if they have any) and possibly a renaming, could be repurposed to something more alike the
Nordic cross flag entry._MB190417_ (
talk)
12:58, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Additional comment: Just in light of subsequent discussion to say that in my view, the only redeeming feature of the entry is the pan-Celtic flags (i.e. flags representing all Celtic nations; if and only if such flags can be proved to be notable). A Flags of Celtic Nations entry without these flags would be no more than a list of Celtic nations/regions and I'd be surprised if it survived an AfD. _MB190417_ (
talk)
14:28, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
@
MB190417, If it were to be like
Nordic cross flag it would technically be about "
triskelion flags", as that is the element shared by all three pan-Celtic flags but not in most of the Celtic nations ones (though IOM has a legged version). But an article on three proposed unofficial flags (I find no evidence of official use) that happen to use the same icon, probably does not meet notability guidelines. And could easily be in other articles, including
triskelion or
pan-Celticism.
IOM and
Sicily are already at
triskelion, not sure whether than pan-Celtic ones should be though as they're unofficial (from my searches). DankJae20:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep needs some references adding to it but seems notable and probably needs the flags of other recognised Celtic areas added to the page. Would probably rename to Flags of Celtic Nations.--
MartyTheArty (
talk)
13:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete - this OR and Synthesis to me. What is the definition of a "Celtic Flag"? Appears to be a list of flags of so-called Celtic regions and nations.
Spleodrach (
talk)
13:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
None of the sources seem to address this though (some show or list the individual flags), nor do they address the pan-celtic flags at first sight. Can you indicate which of your sources actually discuss "celtic flags"? Something like
this doesn't even mention the word flag (nor does it show one), and neither does
this one, so their value for this article (never mind to determine notability) seems very limited at best.
Fram (
talk)
15:11, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. This article is, in effect, a list. Ostensibly a list of flags of Celtic nations. Unless
WP:NLIST can be demonstrated, to the extent that all of the list members are discussed "as a group or set by independent reliable sources", I don't see how I could recommend anything other than deletion. Any
alternatives to deletion (like redirecting and covering in the
Celtic nations article) might apply to other titles (like the proposed "
Flags of Celtic Nations"). But not the current
Celtic flags title. As there is no indication that this term has any established meaning. (Certainly all of the refs in the article deal with the concept of the
Celtic nations. Not the concept of "Celtic flags").
Guliolopez (
talk)
16:03, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete, per above. Rarely any lists nor articles on cultural flags or flags of a broad cultural category, flags already largely present at
Celtic Nations,
Pan-Celticism and
Flags of Europe. Not sure what the article means by official in the Pan-celtic section, a image search using the flags and the source description do not indicate any official use by any organisation. Therefore not notable enough to categorise by cultural grouping and quite a bit
WP:SYNTH. DankJae20:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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