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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 06:53, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
Catherine Fleming Bruce
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Article about a writer and political candidate, not
properly sourced as having a strong claim to passing either
WP:AUTHOR or
WP:NPOL. As always, unelected candidates do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates per se -- the notability bar for politicians is holding a notable office, not just running for one, while a non-winning candidate gets to have an article only if either (a) she can demonstrate that she already had preexisting notability for other reasons besides the candidacy, or (b) she can mount a credible claim that her candidacy was a special case of significantly greater notability than most other people's candidacies.
But this demonstrates neither of those things: her prior work as a writer and historical preservationist is referenced solely to a podcast and a
primary source, which do not establish the encyclopedic notability of that work, and the election campaign is referenced solely to the purely expected volume of
run of the mill campaign coverage that every candidate in any election can always show, which does not establish a reason why her candidacy would be of more enduring significance than everybody else's candidacies.
Bearcat (
talk)
13:14, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Politicians, and South Carolina. Bearcat ( talk) 13:14, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete She doesn't meet POL and I can't find anything for AUTHOR. Appears to have been used to bolster her campaign, which I think she lost.
Oaktree b (
talk)
15:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Considering the article was created 5 days after the general election, and the creator is an established editor, doubt to the 2nd sentence. Please WP:AGF. Curbon7 ( talk) 22:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for these notes - did manage to find additional sources, which I was unable to do for some of the other former candidate pages I created! The sources suggest that the book received significant critical attention. ProfessorKaiFlai ( talk) 06:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:28, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment She lost her election, so she's an activist as far as AfD is concerned. Nothing notable about her career. Still a !delete. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
WeakKeep - an unelected politician is still a politician per WP:NPOL, although WP:BASIC appears to be a relevant guideline to consider for this BLP, because she has had more than a political career. There is some biographical and career coverage: Columbia activist enters 2022 US Senate race to take on SC’s Tim Scott in November (The State, Jan 2022), 3 women vying for Democratic nomination in US Senate primary to challenge GOP’s Tim Scott (Post and Courier, May 2022), coverage of her and her book: Catherine Fleming Bruce Chronicles the Struggle to Maintain Civil Rights Monuments (Post and Courier Free Times, 2017/2019, includes secondary content in addition to interview, e.g. her book "won the 2017 Historic Preservation Book Prize from the University of Mary Washington’s Center for Historic Preservation. The City of Columbia also honored Bruce at a July 18 ceremony"), more on her work: South Carolina’s first black surgeon earns national recognition (Post and Courier, 2019/2020, includes "Catherine Fleming Bruce, a researcher who highlights South Carolina’s black history, has been instrumental in getting Spann’s office that recognition"), briefly quoted as "preservationist Catherine Fleming Bruce, author of The Sustainers: Being, Building and Doing Good through Activism in the Sacred Spaces of Civil Rights, Human Rights and Social Movements" in Take a virtual tour of South Carolina’s only civil rights museum (National Geographic, 2020), ongoing work: Local groups trying to preserve South Carolina's black medical history (News19, 2022, includes "Catherine Fleming Bruce is a political activist. She is also working to preserve Columbia's Black medical history" and quotes), and brief coverage of community activism: Lower Richland residents, officials wary of home-building burst in rural area (Post and Courier, 2021, "Catherine Fleming Bruce, a Columbia activist, recently played host to a collection of community leaders for a news conference in Lower Richland...). There appears to be WP:SUSTAINED coverage of various aspects of her political, preservationist, and activist career, as well as some biographical information that when combined, support her notability and can further develop the article. Beccaynr ( talk) 20:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC) - update !vote to remove 'weak' per additions by Bridget - Beccaynr ( talk) 22:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)- Keep - I just added 3 articles from The State to cover her 1993 documentary film, a visitors guide for historic sites in Richmond County she produced around that time, and commentary from the newspaper on both of those works. I also added info on Collaborative for Community Trust, a local organization she founded in 1995, and their effort to restore the home of activist Modjeska Simkins in Columbia, SC. I'm confident there's even more media coverage on her activism from this period since I only added articles from that one newspaper out of other SC publications while searching on Newspapers.com. Bridget (talk) 20:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to assess changes to the article since the AFD nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC)- Keep. I see reliable sources publishing about her and the argument to keep is well articulated above. CT55555( talk) 15:48, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Beccaynr and Bridget. Passes WP:GNG. Sal2100 ( talk) 22:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 06:53, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
Catherine Fleming Bruce
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Article about a writer and political candidate, not
properly sourced as having a strong claim to passing either
WP:AUTHOR or
WP:NPOL. As always, unelected candidates do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates per se -- the notability bar for politicians is holding a notable office, not just running for one, while a non-winning candidate gets to have an article only if either (a) she can demonstrate that she already had preexisting notability for other reasons besides the candidacy, or (b) she can mount a credible claim that her candidacy was a special case of significantly greater notability than most other people's candidacies.
But this demonstrates neither of those things: her prior work as a writer and historical preservationist is referenced solely to a podcast and a
primary source, which do not establish the encyclopedic notability of that work, and the election campaign is referenced solely to the purely expected volume of
run of the mill campaign coverage that every candidate in any election can always show, which does not establish a reason why her candidacy would be of more enduring significance than everybody else's candidacies.
Bearcat (
talk)
13:14, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Politicians, and South Carolina. Bearcat ( talk) 13:14, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete She doesn't meet POL and I can't find anything for AUTHOR. Appears to have been used to bolster her campaign, which I think she lost.
Oaktree b (
talk)
15:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Considering the article was created 5 days after the general election, and the creator is an established editor, doubt to the 2nd sentence. Please WP:AGF. Curbon7 ( talk) 22:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for these notes - did manage to find additional sources, which I was unable to do for some of the other former candidate pages I created! The sources suggest that the book received significant critical attention. ProfessorKaiFlai ( talk) 06:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:28, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment She lost her election, so she's an activist as far as AfD is concerned. Nothing notable about her career. Still a !delete. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
WeakKeep - an unelected politician is still a politician per WP:NPOL, although WP:BASIC appears to be a relevant guideline to consider for this BLP, because she has had more than a political career. There is some biographical and career coverage: Columbia activist enters 2022 US Senate race to take on SC’s Tim Scott in November (The State, Jan 2022), 3 women vying for Democratic nomination in US Senate primary to challenge GOP’s Tim Scott (Post and Courier, May 2022), coverage of her and her book: Catherine Fleming Bruce Chronicles the Struggle to Maintain Civil Rights Monuments (Post and Courier Free Times, 2017/2019, includes secondary content in addition to interview, e.g. her book "won the 2017 Historic Preservation Book Prize from the University of Mary Washington’s Center for Historic Preservation. The City of Columbia also honored Bruce at a July 18 ceremony"), more on her work: South Carolina’s first black surgeon earns national recognition (Post and Courier, 2019/2020, includes "Catherine Fleming Bruce, a researcher who highlights South Carolina’s black history, has been instrumental in getting Spann’s office that recognition"), briefly quoted as "preservationist Catherine Fleming Bruce, author of The Sustainers: Being, Building and Doing Good through Activism in the Sacred Spaces of Civil Rights, Human Rights and Social Movements" in Take a virtual tour of South Carolina’s only civil rights museum (National Geographic, 2020), ongoing work: Local groups trying to preserve South Carolina's black medical history (News19, 2022, includes "Catherine Fleming Bruce is a political activist. She is also working to preserve Columbia's Black medical history" and quotes), and brief coverage of community activism: Lower Richland residents, officials wary of home-building burst in rural area (Post and Courier, 2021, "Catherine Fleming Bruce, a Columbia activist, recently played host to a collection of community leaders for a news conference in Lower Richland...). There appears to be WP:SUSTAINED coverage of various aspects of her political, preservationist, and activist career, as well as some biographical information that when combined, support her notability and can further develop the article. Beccaynr ( talk) 20:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC) - update !vote to remove 'weak' per additions by Bridget - Beccaynr ( talk) 22:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)- Keep - I just added 3 articles from The State to cover her 1993 documentary film, a visitors guide for historic sites in Richmond County she produced around that time, and commentary from the newspaper on both of those works. I also added info on Collaborative for Community Trust, a local organization she founded in 1995, and their effort to restore the home of activist Modjeska Simkins in Columbia, SC. I'm confident there's even more media coverage on her activism from this period since I only added articles from that one newspaper out of other SC publications while searching on Newspapers.com. Bridget (talk) 20:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to assess changes to the article since the AFD nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC)- Keep. I see reliable sources publishing about her and the argument to keep is well articulated above. CT55555( talk) 15:48, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Beccaynr and Bridget. Passes WP:GNG. Sal2100 ( talk) 22:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.