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The result was speedy delete per WP:SNOW. At best this is an outright hoax. At worst, someone trying to promote themselves. The argument in favor of this being a hoax is pretty strong, especially in lieu of this article. I'm also going to give the article creator a WP:NOTHERE block given the situation. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Caste2caste sale
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No evidence of any notability whatsoever. Not a single link apart from the Amazon page [1]. Fram ( talk) 14:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination; does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK and there is no plausible redirect target. DanCherek ( talk) 15:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- what evidence you need to not to delete Samadhaan ( talk) 15:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- We can provide RRRNA(isbn.gov.in) official letter of ISBN allotment. Samadhaan ( talk) 15:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- https://isbn.gov.in/v2/admnis/applicant/ISBNAppliedBookList.aspx?app_id=30829&langid=1 Samadhaan ( talk) 15:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- can you please guide me how to make you to get notability of this ??
Samadhaan (
talk)
15:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- A book is not entitled to a Wikipedia article simply because it has been assigned an ISBN. The specific criteria for notability of books are listed at
Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria. These criteria are usually met by demonstrating that a book has received significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent secondary sources. An Amazon listing does not count.
DanCherek (
talk)
15:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- so you want me to provide the book release coverage of this book?? Samadhaan ( talk) 15:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- in that case let us provide a day of time to provide the same !!! Samadhaan ( talk) 15:22, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- A book is not entitled to a Wikipedia article simply because it has been assigned an ISBN. The specific criteria for notability of books are listed at
Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria. These criteria are usually met by demonstrating that a book has received significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent secondary sources. An Amazon listing does not count.
DanCherek (
talk)
15:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I was leaning towards deletion but the editor asked for sometime to make relevant changes. So if the editor failed to provide relevant sources then my vote will be delete.
Afzlfc (
talk)
16:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for patronage !! I made all my possible efforts to not to delete page. I provided all legitimate info. and second source press releases will be updated soon! Samadhaan ( talk) 05:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. "Book" appears to be listed only on Amazon India (as unavailable), and cannot be found with Google, which is a poor sign. The photographs of the book on the Amazon India site have clearly been manipulated and are not of an actual book. The publisher is not a publisher, but a printer, suggesting it may be self-published. And, incidentally, the printer's website is blocked by BitDefender, which speaks ill of the entire situation. The normal hurdle that must be cleared by a book before it deserves an article is that there must be independent secondary sources writing about the book. In this case, I'm not even sure the book clears the preliminary hurdle of being a properly-published book. It was published in mid February, recent enough that it ought to be available, long enough ago that if anyone was going to write enthusiastically about it, they have had some chance to do so.
Elemimele (
talk)
16:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have been uploaded book front cover!!! I wonder the word manipulation ??? Samadhaan ( talk) 05:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I've looked as well. Notability doesn't even enter into it. I cannot verify that the book purportedly with
ISBN
978-9356204256 even exists. I've checked the Indian catalogues in Special:Booksources and they report zero results. As does the search tool at
https://isbn.gov.in/ in fact. This is
unverifiable.
Delete.Uncle G ( talk) 20:39, 28 March 2022 (UTC)- this book is published in February 2022 & first sale of book is finished. and coming to the lover of wikipedia, I never dare to create un necessary & un worthy stuff in wikipedia. Janapriya printers is printing press & no where address mentioned & how come you say that printer is suggesting self-published??? before making a decision try to get info from the editor right ?? I m not interested to defend to introduce good book to fight to place in wikipedia. For better visual presentation we will upload such a cover image, how can you that it is manipulated ?? you want me to upload original coverpage of the book ?? if you guys are suggesting delete, please go a head!! because wikipedia is not a business to promote. My pure intension to give good place to book, which made critical analysis on caste system. I m handing over things to the respected persons in this conversation as I want this book to be placed in wikipedia with pride, not by begging & with mercy. Thanking you. Samadhaan ( talk) 04:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- for your kind information I will upload allotted isbn as image in wiki common, kindly check Samadhaan ( talk) 04:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- kindly go through the image of ISBN allotment from http://isbn.gov.in
- Caste2castesaleISBN.png( in wikimedia commons)
- Indian ISBN site is not functioning properly in search zone, that is the major problem. you can check it in that Wikimedia commons.
- Thank you Samadhaan ( talk) 04:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- After reading https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/india/man-held-for-posing-as-bureaucrat-to-dupe-people-1.65026239 and the deleted revisions at Sampath Kumar Surappagari (author of this non-existent book) and checking out the purported newspaper at Dainik Prayukti (purportedly published by that same person, with its address being in Karol Bagh just as IANS reported, and listed as a company in 2013 just as IANS reported; but has no news in it, and no reported existence apart from a few regurgitated press releases some years ago, and was changed to struck off on the companies register years ago too) I am upgrading this, something that I rarely do. It's not just notability. It's not even just verifiability. These all three appear to be outright hoaxes perpetrated by almost single-purpose account Samadhaan ( talk · contribs). And the offers of dummied-up cover pages, for this non-existent book as well as the non-existent newspaper, as well as the claims that the hoaxes don't check out because somehow the WWW site isn't working, no doubt next to be given as the explanation of the fact that none of the URLs in the dummied-up newspaper pages check out and the purported newspaper WWW site otherwise has about 1 "article" (which are just regurgitated tosh with some stock images added if one reads them) per year, fit exactly the pattern of hoaxery with dummied-up false documentation reported by IANS. Strong delete. Uncle G ( talk) 08:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- In explanation of my comment on falsified images; this may be a misunderstanding on my part. Of the eight images shown on the Amazon India site, several show the book with a bar-code, several without. I took these to be the front and back cover. Looking at the versions of these pictures that show the book in perspective, one shows the edge of the book as the natural curve of the pages of a hardbound book, not as large as the covers. The other shows what I thought ought to be the spine, but which is actually just a neutral flat surface the full width of the book, which couldn't possibly be the spine of a hardbound book. On reflection I think the aim might have been to show a paperback version. I apologise if this was the case. The Amazon page does not specify whether the book is available in paperback and hardback (again a very odd situation; Amazon is usually very clear about the formats in which it sells). But in the end, this is irrelevant. From the perspective of Wikipedia, we cannot have an article about the book unless at least a couple of reliable sources have written about it independently, and no such sources appear to exist. Elemimele ( talk) 08:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: WP:HOAX as described by Uncle G — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 12:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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The result was speedy delete per WP:SNOW. At best this is an outright hoax. At worst, someone trying to promote themselves. The argument in favor of this being a hoax is pretty strong, especially in lieu of this article. I'm also going to give the article creator a WP:NOTHERE block given the situation. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Caste2caste sale
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No evidence of any notability whatsoever. Not a single link apart from the Amazon page [1]. Fram ( talk) 14:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Fram ( talk) 14:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Fram ( talk) 14:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Fram ( talk) 14:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination; does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK and there is no plausible redirect target. DanCherek ( talk) 15:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- what evidence you need to not to delete Samadhaan ( talk) 15:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- We can provide RRRNA(isbn.gov.in) official letter of ISBN allotment. Samadhaan ( talk) 15:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- https://isbn.gov.in/v2/admnis/applicant/ISBNAppliedBookList.aspx?app_id=30829&langid=1 Samadhaan ( talk) 15:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- can you please guide me how to make you to get notability of this ??
Samadhaan (
talk)
15:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- A book is not entitled to a Wikipedia article simply because it has been assigned an ISBN. The specific criteria for notability of books are listed at
Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria. These criteria are usually met by demonstrating that a book has received significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent secondary sources. An Amazon listing does not count.
DanCherek (
talk)
15:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- so you want me to provide the book release coverage of this book?? Samadhaan ( talk) 15:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- in that case let us provide a day of time to provide the same !!! Samadhaan ( talk) 15:22, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- A book is not entitled to a Wikipedia article simply because it has been assigned an ISBN. The specific criteria for notability of books are listed at
Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria. These criteria are usually met by demonstrating that a book has received significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent secondary sources. An Amazon listing does not count.
DanCherek (
talk)
15:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I was leaning towards deletion but the editor asked for sometime to make relevant changes. So if the editor failed to provide relevant sources then my vote will be delete.
Afzlfc (
talk)
16:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for patronage !! I made all my possible efforts to not to delete page. I provided all legitimate info. and second source press releases will be updated soon! Samadhaan ( talk) 05:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. "Book" appears to be listed only on Amazon India (as unavailable), and cannot be found with Google, which is a poor sign. The photographs of the book on the Amazon India site have clearly been manipulated and are not of an actual book. The publisher is not a publisher, but a printer, suggesting it may be self-published. And, incidentally, the printer's website is blocked by BitDefender, which speaks ill of the entire situation. The normal hurdle that must be cleared by a book before it deserves an article is that there must be independent secondary sources writing about the book. In this case, I'm not even sure the book clears the preliminary hurdle of being a properly-published book. It was published in mid February, recent enough that it ought to be available, long enough ago that if anyone was going to write enthusiastically about it, they have had some chance to do so.
Elemimele (
talk)
16:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have been uploaded book front cover!!! I wonder the word manipulation ??? Samadhaan ( talk) 05:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I've looked as well. Notability doesn't even enter into it. I cannot verify that the book purportedly with
ISBN
978-9356204256 even exists. I've checked the Indian catalogues in Special:Booksources and they report zero results. As does the search tool at
https://isbn.gov.in/ in fact. This is
unverifiable.
Delete.Uncle G ( talk) 20:39, 28 March 2022 (UTC)- this book is published in February 2022 & first sale of book is finished. and coming to the lover of wikipedia, I never dare to create un necessary & un worthy stuff in wikipedia. Janapriya printers is printing press & no where address mentioned & how come you say that printer is suggesting self-published??? before making a decision try to get info from the editor right ?? I m not interested to defend to introduce good book to fight to place in wikipedia. For better visual presentation we will upload such a cover image, how can you that it is manipulated ?? you want me to upload original coverpage of the book ?? if you guys are suggesting delete, please go a head!! because wikipedia is not a business to promote. My pure intension to give good place to book, which made critical analysis on caste system. I m handing over things to the respected persons in this conversation as I want this book to be placed in wikipedia with pride, not by begging & with mercy. Thanking you. Samadhaan ( talk) 04:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- for your kind information I will upload allotted isbn as image in wiki common, kindly check Samadhaan ( talk) 04:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- kindly go through the image of ISBN allotment from http://isbn.gov.in
- Caste2castesaleISBN.png( in wikimedia commons)
- Indian ISBN site is not functioning properly in search zone, that is the major problem. you can check it in that Wikimedia commons.
- Thank you Samadhaan ( talk) 04:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- After reading https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/india/man-held-for-posing-as-bureaucrat-to-dupe-people-1.65026239 and the deleted revisions at Sampath Kumar Surappagari (author of this non-existent book) and checking out the purported newspaper at Dainik Prayukti (purportedly published by that same person, with its address being in Karol Bagh just as IANS reported, and listed as a company in 2013 just as IANS reported; but has no news in it, and no reported existence apart from a few regurgitated press releases some years ago, and was changed to struck off on the companies register years ago too) I am upgrading this, something that I rarely do. It's not just notability. It's not even just verifiability. These all three appear to be outright hoaxes perpetrated by almost single-purpose account Samadhaan ( talk · contribs). And the offers of dummied-up cover pages, for this non-existent book as well as the non-existent newspaper, as well as the claims that the hoaxes don't check out because somehow the WWW site isn't working, no doubt next to be given as the explanation of the fact that none of the URLs in the dummied-up newspaper pages check out and the purported newspaper WWW site otherwise has about 1 "article" (which are just regurgitated tosh with some stock images added if one reads them) per year, fit exactly the pattern of hoaxery with dummied-up false documentation reported by IANS. Strong delete. Uncle G ( talk) 08:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- In explanation of my comment on falsified images; this may be a misunderstanding on my part. Of the eight images shown on the Amazon India site, several show the book with a bar-code, several without. I took these to be the front and back cover. Looking at the versions of these pictures that show the book in perspective, one shows the edge of the book as the natural curve of the pages of a hardbound book, not as large as the covers. The other shows what I thought ought to be the spine, but which is actually just a neutral flat surface the full width of the book, which couldn't possibly be the spine of a hardbound book. On reflection I think the aim might have been to show a paperback version. I apologise if this was the case. The Amazon page does not specify whether the book is available in paperback and hardback (again a very odd situation; Amazon is usually very clear about the formats in which it sells). But in the end, this is irrelevant. From the perspective of Wikipedia, we cannot have an article about the book unless at least a couple of reliable sources have written about it independently, and no such sources appear to exist. Elemimele ( talk) 08:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: WP:HOAX as described by Uncle G — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 12:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.