Carreg yr Halen
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Not enough significant coverage - I could only find this article; everything else is trivial mentions when discussing Menai Bridge. While its location is sourced, that doesn't make it notable, and the rest of the information in the article is unsourced and I can't find it anywhere else, so is probably original research. Suntooooth, it/he ( talk/ contribs) 18:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Wales and Islands. Suntooooth, it/he ( talk/ contribs) 18:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep a number of local sources exist and are quoted. The island marked one of the important ferry crossimg location of the Menai Strait before the suspension bridge was constructed. Meets the standard of WP:GEONATURAL. Velella Velella Talk 18:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per WP:NATFEAT. - Altenmann >talk 19:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Menai Strait: seems to be the best idea... For the dozen or so lines of text now in the article. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Menai Bridge. This little outcrop of rock clearly has more significance to the town than to the body of water, but that significance doesn't become notability because of WP:INHERITED. Claims of being an important crossing point would meet the mark if there was any verifiable sigcov of this fact, but I don't believe there has been. Doesn't meet GEOLAND, is a tiny tidal island in the middle of nowhere, insufficient content to be its own article. BrigadierG ( talk) 20:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- leaning delete It's not clear that the claims of the article are true. The cite for the ferry fails verification, and really I have to doubt the utility of a tiny, bare island in such a service. If we have to have something I would to go with the strait, but don't see a merger of a likely inaccurate article. Mangoe ( talk) 22:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus yet and two different Merge target articles suggested.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I still think deleting would be best considering most claims from keep votes and from the article are unverified, but if merging ends up being the outcome, I think Menai Bridge is the best target - like BrigadierG said, it has more significance to the town than the body of water. Suntooooth, it/he ( talk/ contribs) 13:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - a second source for Carreg yr Halen as the site of a ferry across the Menai Strait has been added confirming the importance of this location as a crossing of the strait before the susepnsion bridge was completed in 1826. The original source marked as "failed verification" has also been updated to a version that explicitly identifies Carreg yr Halen as the terminus of one of the Menai Bruidge (Porthaethwy) ferries. Velella Velella Talk 11:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Carreg yr Halen
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Not enough significant coverage - I could only find this article; everything else is trivial mentions when discussing Menai Bridge. While its location is sourced, that doesn't make it notable, and the rest of the information in the article is unsourced and I can't find it anywhere else, so is probably original research. Suntooooth, it/he ( talk/ contribs) 18:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Wales and Islands. Suntooooth, it/he ( talk/ contribs) 18:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep a number of local sources exist and are quoted. The island marked one of the important ferry crossimg location of the Menai Strait before the suspension bridge was constructed. Meets the standard of WP:GEONATURAL. Velella Velella Talk 18:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per WP:NATFEAT. - Altenmann >talk 19:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Menai Strait: seems to be the best idea... For the dozen or so lines of text now in the article. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Menai Bridge. This little outcrop of rock clearly has more significance to the town than to the body of water, but that significance doesn't become notability because of WP:INHERITED. Claims of being an important crossing point would meet the mark if there was any verifiable sigcov of this fact, but I don't believe there has been. Doesn't meet GEOLAND, is a tiny tidal island in the middle of nowhere, insufficient content to be its own article. BrigadierG ( talk) 20:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- leaning delete It's not clear that the claims of the article are true. The cite for the ferry fails verification, and really I have to doubt the utility of a tiny, bare island in such a service. If we have to have something I would to go with the strait, but don't see a merger of a likely inaccurate article. Mangoe ( talk) 22:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus yet and two different Merge target articles suggested.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I still think deleting would be best considering most claims from keep votes and from the article are unverified, but if merging ends up being the outcome, I think Menai Bridge is the best target - like BrigadierG said, it has more significance to the town than the body of water. Suntooooth, it/he ( talk/ contribs) 13:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - a second source for Carreg yr Halen as the site of a ferry across the Menai Strait has been added confirming the importance of this location as a crossing of the strait before the susepnsion bridge was completed in 1826. The original source marked as "failed verification" has also been updated to a version that explicitly identifies Carreg yr Halen as the terminus of one of the Menai Bruidge (Porthaethwy) ferries. Velella Velella Talk 11:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)