The result was keep per WP:GEOLAND and the discussion below. If the article needs copy-editing or other changes as the AfD author suggests, I suggest a topical application of be bold and fix it. (non-admin closure) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 19:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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Another spectacular fail on the part of AFC for passing this off into article space without discernment. This article was created by a new account whose only edits are to this article or to promote links to this article. The article as written exists solely to introduce and promote citation spam to a story published in The Alaska Landmine, a blog!!!, and to serve as a venue for advocacy of the story's assertions of the right of the public to access the lake. Not only is the Landmine a blog, its publisher is a past election opponent of an incumbent state senator who lives on the lake, is running for reelection this year and is the subject of a BLP article on Wikipedia. In other words, red flags all around. This is an artificial lake which has existed for over 60 years, is home to numerous prominent members of this community, yet I'm expected to believe by what I'm reading that the only coverage it's received in reliable sources during that 60+ years is one small series published by a blog within the past six months and its supporting documentation? Please. Barring any sincere effort to try again, anything which can be said about the lake can fit comfortably into a section of Campbell Creek (Alaska) instead of pretending the two are islands unto themselves. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
As you note, this lake has a 60-year history, and there have been other notable events during that time. Wikipedia has an excellent entry on
"recentism" and its effect on the quality of Wikipedia pages. In this case, creating a page that was uncluttered, organized, and readable necessitated the inclusion of notable recent events. However, I agree with your comment. Multiple dam failure and flooding events should be included in the "History" section, for example. The last major flood was August 27-28, 1989 and was covered by multiple articles in the Anchorage Daily News (see “Campbell Lake Residents Struggle to Save their Lake” ADN, August 27, 1989), but these articles are archival and cannot be accessed via hyperlink, which is why they were not included. It also collapsed during the massive
1964 earthquake, which was documented in a citable 1966 report by the US Department of the Interior. Other page improvements should be mentioned in the Talk page.
Regarding merging, Campbell Creek and Campbell Lake are distinct entities, both to the local population and according to
USGS. Separate entries exist for less notable local water features including
Chester Creek and
Westchester Lagoon, neither of which have been flagged for merge.
Yes, a US Senator is involved in the controversy surrounding this lake: This increases its notability and makes the page a poor candidate for deletion. This lake is also relevant due to navigable water rights issues raised during a US Supreme Court Case (Sturgeon vs. Alaska).
I am a new user of Wikipedia (as you noted). There are many prolific editors of Wikipedia, but they all had to start somewhere. Wikipedia does not have separate page guidelines for new users, but it does have a policy encouraging new users to
“be bold” because we have potential to better our community and Wikipedia as a whole. I respect and appreciate the time and effort that so many people take to make Wikipedia the resource that it is. Thank you for your efforts to improve this rich and valuable resource, including this page. I do mean that sincerely. We improve this community for everyone when we create and edit with diligence.
Openice1856 (
talk)
18:12, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
The result was keep per WP:GEOLAND and the discussion below. If the article needs copy-editing or other changes as the AfD author suggests, I suggest a topical application of be bold and fix it. (non-admin closure) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 19:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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Another spectacular fail on the part of AFC for passing this off into article space without discernment. This article was created by a new account whose only edits are to this article or to promote links to this article. The article as written exists solely to introduce and promote citation spam to a story published in The Alaska Landmine, a blog!!!, and to serve as a venue for advocacy of the story's assertions of the right of the public to access the lake. Not only is the Landmine a blog, its publisher is a past election opponent of an incumbent state senator who lives on the lake, is running for reelection this year and is the subject of a BLP article on Wikipedia. In other words, red flags all around. This is an artificial lake which has existed for over 60 years, is home to numerous prominent members of this community, yet I'm expected to believe by what I'm reading that the only coverage it's received in reliable sources during that 60+ years is one small series published by a blog within the past six months and its supporting documentation? Please. Barring any sincere effort to try again, anything which can be said about the lake can fit comfortably into a section of Campbell Creek (Alaska) instead of pretending the two are islands unto themselves. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
As you note, this lake has a 60-year history, and there have been other notable events during that time. Wikipedia has an excellent entry on
"recentism" and its effect on the quality of Wikipedia pages. In this case, creating a page that was uncluttered, organized, and readable necessitated the inclusion of notable recent events. However, I agree with your comment. Multiple dam failure and flooding events should be included in the "History" section, for example. The last major flood was August 27-28, 1989 and was covered by multiple articles in the Anchorage Daily News (see “Campbell Lake Residents Struggle to Save their Lake” ADN, August 27, 1989), but these articles are archival and cannot be accessed via hyperlink, which is why they were not included. It also collapsed during the massive
1964 earthquake, which was documented in a citable 1966 report by the US Department of the Interior. Other page improvements should be mentioned in the Talk page.
Regarding merging, Campbell Creek and Campbell Lake are distinct entities, both to the local population and according to
USGS. Separate entries exist for less notable local water features including
Chester Creek and
Westchester Lagoon, neither of which have been flagged for merge.
Yes, a US Senator is involved in the controversy surrounding this lake: This increases its notability and makes the page a poor candidate for deletion. This lake is also relevant due to navigable water rights issues raised during a US Supreme Court Case (Sturgeon vs. Alaska).
I am a new user of Wikipedia (as you noted). There are many prolific editors of Wikipedia, but they all had to start somewhere. Wikipedia does not have separate page guidelines for new users, but it does have a policy encouraging new users to
“be bold” because we have potential to better our community and Wikipedia as a whole. I respect and appreciate the time and effort that so many people take to make Wikipedia the resource that it is. Thank you for your efforts to improve this rich and valuable resource, including this page. I do mean that sincerely. We improve this community for everyone when we create and edit with diligence.
Openice1856 (
talk)
18:12, 12 May 2020 (UTC)