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The result was no consensus. j⚛e decker talk 01:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Camp Ondessonk
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No evidence of notability Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:05, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- What kind of evidence is needed to prove notability?
Jamie (
talk) 11:18, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep. Nominator appears to be going through a list or category of summer camps and nominating them all for deletion, indiscriminately. See
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Surprise Lake Camp for example, where a summer camp that really obviously meets
wp:GNG is also nominated for deletion. See also
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Kawanhee for Boys, where I also vote Keep and have added some relatively easily available references. I assume
wp:BEFORE standard is not met here, either, for this Camp Ondessonk article. --
do
ncr
am 19:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC) --
do
ncr
am 21:58, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- I trust that whoever closes this AfD will take into account your partisan
canvassing.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 20:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- My same response to Pigsongthewing's identical statement in similar AFDs: Absolute nonsense. Please do try to explain where there was any "canvassing" at all. In several AFDs on summer camps that Pigsonthewings has nominated, i have pointed to other ongoing AFDs about summer camps, pointing out some relatedness between the AFDs. This seems appropriate, there is no canvassing to user pages or to any Wikiprojects. Nonsense. -- do ncr am 00:16, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- I trust that whoever closes this AfD will take into account your partisan
canvassing.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 20:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Keep I'm finding a lot of coverage in Google Books. Candleabracadabra ( talk) 03:00, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- Struck !vote above of blocked sock puppet, per WP:SOCKHELP. NorthAmerica 1000 06:58, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 04:02, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 10:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep: this seems to be a fairly well known summer camp, based on web presence and Google Books hits, enough to pass GNG I think. The page needs to be seriously trimmed though, it seriously fails WP:NOTGUIDE and nearly every source given is WP:SELFPUB'd. Ivanvector ( talk) 17:06, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- delete THe problem basically is the inability to write an article which isn't all from camp publications. The current version would need a WP:TNT application for that, and looking around I'm not finding independent sources that say enough to allow an article to be written. Mangoe ( talk) 18:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. j⚛e decker talk 01:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Camp Ondessonk
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No evidence of notability Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:05, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- What kind of evidence is needed to prove notability?
Jamie (
talk) 11:18, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Nominator appears to be going through a list or category of summer camps and nominating them all for deletion, indiscriminately. See
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Surprise Lake Camp for example, where a summer camp that really obviously meets
wp:GNG is also nominated for deletion. See also
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Kawanhee for Boys, where I also vote Keep and have added some relatively easily available references. I assume
wp:BEFORE standard is not met here, either, for this Camp Ondessonk article. --
do
ncr
am 19:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC) --
do
ncr
am 21:58, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- I trust that whoever closes this AfD will take into account your partisan
canvassing.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 20:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- My same response to Pigsongthewing's identical statement in similar AFDs: Absolute nonsense. Please do try to explain where there was any "canvassing" at all. In several AFDs on summer camps that Pigsonthewings has nominated, i have pointed to other ongoing AFDs about summer camps, pointing out some relatedness between the AFDs. This seems appropriate, there is no canvassing to user pages or to any Wikiprojects. Nonsense. -- do ncr am 00:16, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- I trust that whoever closes this AfD will take into account your partisan
canvassing.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 20:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Keep I'm finding a lot of coverage in Google Books. Candleabracadabra ( talk) 03:00, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- Struck !vote above of blocked sock puppet, per WP:SOCKHELP. NorthAmerica 1000 06:58, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 04:02, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 10:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep: this seems to be a fairly well known summer camp, based on web presence and Google Books hits, enough to pass GNG I think. The page needs to be seriously trimmed though, it seriously fails WP:NOTGUIDE and nearly every source given is WP:SELFPUB'd. Ivanvector ( talk) 17:06, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- delete THe problem basically is the inability to write an article which isn't all from camp publications. The current version would need a WP:TNT application for that, and looking around I'm not finding independent sources that say enough to allow an article to be written. Mangoe ( talk) 18:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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