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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 18:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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This is really another test case as to why WP:GEOLAND is just not good enough a standard. The only thing I can find out about this spot is that it figured in the Keddie murders as the place where one of the bodies was found. Other than that, every thing is from GNIS or topos, with a slight contribution by the railroad regulators. If it weren't for the topos, this would be an open-and-shut "place on the railroad" case; but those maps show a lot of buildings. What were they? I have no idea, and I cannot find anyone else who does. The earliest aerial I can find, from 1969, shows nothing but the same pattern of trails, burn scars, and trees that GMaps shows now, only the burn scars are in different places. "Camp" suggests a lot of different possibilities, none of which I can resolve. Searching is impeded by the many occurrences of "camp, eighteen" in a variety of works, but as soon as I throw "Butte" into the mix, the hit count falls into the clickbait range, If someone can find something that gives some description of the place before it became just a place to dump murder victims, I'd be glad to withdraw this (and would ask that they expand the article accordingly), but otherwise I just can't see keeping an article on a place of which we know essentially nothing except its location on the globe. Mangoe ( talk) 15:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 ( talk) 16:07, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete Mangoe Have you gotten newspapers.com access yet? There are a few hits there [1] [2] indicating this was a Civilian Conservation Corps camp in the 1930s, one of more than 30 labor camps in just one district covering four national forests in northern California. We have Category:Civilian Conservation Corps camps of largely CCC sites repurposed during WWII but no list this could be redirected to so I'll go with delete. A temporary military-esque worksite does not have the automatic notability of a settled, recognized town or village. Reywas92 Talk 16:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Thanks to Reywas92 we know what it was and can feel confident that it doesn't meet notability standards. Glendoremus ( talk) 18:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Nothing about this site meets notability requirements. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 22:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as a non-notable locale. -- Lockley ( talk) 11:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 18:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Camp Eighteen, California ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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This is really another test case as to why WP:GEOLAND is just not good enough a standard. The only thing I can find out about this spot is that it figured in the Keddie murders as the place where one of the bodies was found. Other than that, every thing is from GNIS or topos, with a slight contribution by the railroad regulators. If it weren't for the topos, this would be an open-and-shut "place on the railroad" case; but those maps show a lot of buildings. What were they? I have no idea, and I cannot find anyone else who does. The earliest aerial I can find, from 1969, shows nothing but the same pattern of trails, burn scars, and trees that GMaps shows now, only the burn scars are in different places. "Camp" suggests a lot of different possibilities, none of which I can resolve. Searching is impeded by the many occurrences of "camp, eighteen" in a variety of works, but as soon as I throw "Butte" into the mix, the hit count falls into the clickbait range, If someone can find something that gives some description of the place before it became just a place to dump murder victims, I'd be glad to withdraw this (and would ask that they expand the article accordingly), but otherwise I just can't see keeping an article on a place of which we know essentially nothing except its location on the globe. Mangoe ( talk) 15:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 ( talk) 16:07, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 11:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Mangoe Have you gotten newspapers.com access yet? There are a few hits there [1] [2] indicating this was a Civilian Conservation Corps camp in the 1930s, one of more than 30 labor camps in just one district covering four national forests in northern California. We have Category:Civilian Conservation Corps camps of largely CCC sites repurposed during WWII but no list this could be redirected to so I'll go with delete. A temporary military-esque worksite does not have the automatic notability of a settled, recognized town or village. Reywas92 Talk 16:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Thanks to Reywas92 we know what it was and can feel confident that it doesn't meet notability standards. Glendoremus ( talk) 18:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Nothing about this site meets notability requirements. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 22:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as a non-notable locale. -- Lockley ( talk) 11:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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