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The result was delete with no prejudice to recreation as a redirect to Cameron House. Noting that G5 is not required, and wouldn't apply in this case since there is IMO enough substantial contribution by others in the article history. ansh 666 03:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Cameron House Hotel fire
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Not qualifying as per inclusion criteria of WP:EVENTCRIT. Apart from that Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Hitro talk 12:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 13:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 13:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Coincidentally, this morning the Scottish Review published an editorial about the fire, the government statement and the ongoing investigation: "A Need for Transparency". AllyD ( talk) 13:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- delete as a classic bit of WP:NOTNEWS. If the investigation has larger consequences, then maybe, but right now it's (relatively) local coverage of a fire which everyone is going to forget about once they announce what started it. Mangoe ( talk) 16:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep and rename to Cameron House Hotel and convert to article about hotel. 178.93.234.175 ( talk) 01:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep and rename to Cameron House or similar. The building is notable: historic and listed [1] [2]. There are some sources in tourism and golf publications. There is a short bibliography here. [3] -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 14:54, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Delete. While a tragedy, I do not think it currently justifies a Wikipedia article (although I could see that that could change eg if the investigations were to lead to new fire safety laws in Scotland). I would agree that Cameron House is almost certainly notable enough to have its own article, and that obviously should cover the fire, but as noted that is not a reason for keeping this one. Dunarc ( talk) 20:53, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete under Category G5 of WP:CSD as the article was created by a Sockpuppet of banned User:Ryan kirkpatrick, with no substantial edits by others. Irrespective of that, I lean towards delete anyway per Dunarc's comment. YSSYguy ( talk) 05:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete
Keep and redirect/renameCameron House. Well known super luxury hotel. We ought to have an article. Fire can remain as a section. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC) Created a stub on Cameron House. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 00:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy delete - We have rather straightforward guidelines on why we deny articles written by sockpuppets; that alone should result in a speedy end to this discussion. Regardless, this is just a news story. If an article on the hotel is indeed warranted, go ahead and create it. It is, however, no reasonable to just rename this article and have undue weight on this single event. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 20:10, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete with no prejudice to recreation as a redirect to Cameron House. Noting that G5 is not required, and wouldn't apply in this case since there is IMO enough substantial contribution by others in the article history. ansh 666 03:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Cameron House Hotel fire
- Cameron House Hotel fire ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Not qualifying as per inclusion criteria of WP:EVENTCRIT. Apart from that Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Hitro talk 12:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 13:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 13:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Coincidentally, this morning the Scottish Review published an editorial about the fire, the government statement and the ongoing investigation: "A Need for Transparency". AllyD ( talk) 13:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- delete as a classic bit of WP:NOTNEWS. If the investigation has larger consequences, then maybe, but right now it's (relatively) local coverage of a fire which everyone is going to forget about once they announce what started it. Mangoe ( talk) 16:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep and rename to Cameron House Hotel and convert to article about hotel. 178.93.234.175 ( talk) 01:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep and rename to Cameron House or similar. The building is notable: historic and listed [1] [2]. There are some sources in tourism and golf publications. There is a short bibliography here. [3] -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 14:54, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Delete. While a tragedy, I do not think it currently justifies a Wikipedia article (although I could see that that could change eg if the investigations were to lead to new fire safety laws in Scotland). I would agree that Cameron House is almost certainly notable enough to have its own article, and that obviously should cover the fire, but as noted that is not a reason for keeping this one. Dunarc ( talk) 20:53, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete under Category G5 of WP:CSD as the article was created by a Sockpuppet of banned User:Ryan kirkpatrick, with no substantial edits by others. Irrespective of that, I lean towards delete anyway per Dunarc's comment. YSSYguy ( talk) 05:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete
Keep and redirect/renameCameron House. Well known super luxury hotel. We ought to have an article. Fire can remain as a section. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC) Created a stub on Cameron House. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 00:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy delete - We have rather straightforward guidelines on why we deny articles written by sockpuppets; that alone should result in a speedy end to this discussion. Regardless, this is just a news story. If an article on the hotel is indeed warranted, go ahead and create it. It is, however, no reasonable to just rename this article and have undue weight on this single event. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 20:10, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.