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May not meet the notability guidelines for
highways. No reference used in the article. The article is only a single sentence and is not that informative:
“
Camden Road is a main road running from the junction of Camden High Street and Camden Town Underground station up to Holloway Road. It is part of the A503 which continues east as Tollington Road.
Keep The nomination is incorrect in that this is the A503 and
Wikipedia:Notability (highways) states that "In Great Britain ..., roads that are classified as ... A roads are notable and are suitable for inclusion." There's no separate page for the A503 – just a
redirect.
Pevsner tells us that it "was laid out in the 1820s" and so it has about two centuries of history now. In London, that's plenty of time to accumulate lots of notable buildings and inhabitants. For example, see Congo on the Camden Road – an interesting account of missionary work emanating from the Baptist chapel there. The
Survey of London and the
Victoria County History have more details. Overall, the worst case would be merger into some other page such as
Camden and so there's no good reason to delete this.
Andrew D. (
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09:15, 20 December 2018 (UTC)reply
A Google search, such as the link at the head of this discussion, gives me over half a million results for "camden road" and so it's puzzling that Tyw7 is getting nothing at all. I have made a start on expanding the article and still reckon that this is better than starting afresh.
Andrew D. (
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16:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Andrew Davidson, I don't consider them relevant as most of the top results talk about the station not the road itself. And I don't think they support why the road itself is notable. They talk about properties on the road. --
Tyw7 (
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17:29, 20 December 2018 (UTC)reply
If we include listings such as these, the article would turn into a classified ad.
To my knowledge, there isn't a historic significance to the road, and initially, I thought this wasn't an A-road. I thought it was just a mundane London road that sits between two A-roads. --
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01:19, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Ritchie333, when I nominated it, web searches brought up only mundane or passing by references to the road. I still think that the road barely scrapes by the notability criteria. I think it should be merged into another larger article. --
Tyw7 (
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01:21, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep When I looked at this yesterday, I would have said "Redirect to
Camden Road railway station without prejudice against re-creating if sources can be found to expand beyond a couple of lines of text", but (fortunately?) I got sucked down a rabbit hole about
Nikolaus Pevsner and the Pevsner guides (Do people in England generally know about him? I grew up in Ireland and never heard of him until yesterday. Fascinating fellow.) and by the time I was done it was already time for bed. Full credit to
Ritchie333 for fixing this one and a fine
WP:TROUT for
Tyw7 for making a "notability" argument when "The article as is is a useless content fork and should be redirected somewhere else" would have been perfectly fine -- it's OP arguments like that that give
so-called "deletionists" a bad name (at least among
so-called "inclusionists").
Hijiri 88 (
聖やや)
01:42, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Note that I'm not certain this is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and I actually still suspect the title should be redirected to the railway station and this article moved to
Camden Road (road) or something less silly sounding. The fact that web searches apparently don't bring up anything worthwhile would seem to indicate that for people who don't live there the railway station is more likely what they are looking for (and the relative lengths of our articles before this AFD artificially expanded the road article would seem to support that). That's a matter for an RM, though.
Hijiri 88 (
聖やや)
01:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Hijiri88, well I initially thought it had failed the road notability, not realizing that it's an A-road!
The useless fork could be considered a "weak" argument.
As mentioned above, a Google search of the road brought up more articles on the station on the road than the road itself. It has its usual assortment of businesses, none of which would be notable.
The useless fork could be considered a "weak" argument. Well, that would depend. If you really want to see the page deleted and wiped from Wikipedia, then it's obviously a non-argument. However, since the railway station article isn't going anywhere, the title would need to exist anyway, so you might as well have just redirected and if someone reverted you with a similarly weak argument like "They're different topics", AFD would be the place to come, and "useless content fork" is actually a strong argument if what you're looking for is a redirect.
All that being said, you seem to be retracting your initial !vote, so is it safe close this as "speedy keep"?
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
May not meet the notability guidelines for
highways. No reference used in the article. The article is only a single sentence and is not that informative:
“
Camden Road is a main road running from the junction of Camden High Street and Camden Town Underground station up to Holloway Road. It is part of the A503 which continues east as Tollington Road.
Keep The nomination is incorrect in that this is the A503 and
Wikipedia:Notability (highways) states that "In Great Britain ..., roads that are classified as ... A roads are notable and are suitable for inclusion." There's no separate page for the A503 – just a
redirect.
Pevsner tells us that it "was laid out in the 1820s" and so it has about two centuries of history now. In London, that's plenty of time to accumulate lots of notable buildings and inhabitants. For example, see Congo on the Camden Road – an interesting account of missionary work emanating from the Baptist chapel there. The
Survey of London and the
Victoria County History have more details. Overall, the worst case would be merger into some other page such as
Camden and so there's no good reason to delete this.
Andrew D. (
talk)
09:15, 20 December 2018 (UTC)reply
A Google search, such as the link at the head of this discussion, gives me over half a million results for "camden road" and so it's puzzling that Tyw7 is getting nothing at all. I have made a start on expanding the article and still reckon that this is better than starting afresh.
Andrew D. (
talk)
16:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Andrew Davidson, I don't consider them relevant as most of the top results talk about the station not the road itself. And I don't think they support why the road itself is notable. They talk about properties on the road. --
Tyw7 (
🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (
ping me)
17:29, 20 December 2018 (UTC)reply
If we include listings such as these, the article would turn into a classified ad.
To my knowledge, there isn't a historic significance to the road, and initially, I thought this wasn't an A-road. I thought it was just a mundane London road that sits between two A-roads. --
Tyw7 (
🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (
ping me)
01:19, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Ritchie333, when I nominated it, web searches brought up only mundane or passing by references to the road. I still think that the road barely scrapes by the notability criteria. I think it should be merged into another larger article. --
Tyw7 (
🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (
ping me)
01:21, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep When I looked at this yesterday, I would have said "Redirect to
Camden Road railway station without prejudice against re-creating if sources can be found to expand beyond a couple of lines of text", but (fortunately?) I got sucked down a rabbit hole about
Nikolaus Pevsner and the Pevsner guides (Do people in England generally know about him? I grew up in Ireland and never heard of him until yesterday. Fascinating fellow.) and by the time I was done it was already time for bed. Full credit to
Ritchie333 for fixing this one and a fine
WP:TROUT for
Tyw7 for making a "notability" argument when "The article as is is a useless content fork and should be redirected somewhere else" would have been perfectly fine -- it's OP arguments like that that give
so-called "deletionists" a bad name (at least among
so-called "inclusionists").
Hijiri 88 (
聖やや)
01:42, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Note that I'm not certain this is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and I actually still suspect the title should be redirected to the railway station and this article moved to
Camden Road (road) or something less silly sounding. The fact that web searches apparently don't bring up anything worthwhile would seem to indicate that for people who don't live there the railway station is more likely what they are looking for (and the relative lengths of our articles before this AFD artificially expanded the road article would seem to support that). That's a matter for an RM, though.
Hijiri 88 (
聖やや)
01:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Hijiri88, well I initially thought it had failed the road notability, not realizing that it's an A-road!
The useless fork could be considered a "weak" argument.
As mentioned above, a Google search of the road brought up more articles on the station on the road than the road itself. It has its usual assortment of businesses, none of which would be notable.
The useless fork could be considered a "weak" argument. Well, that would depend. If you really want to see the page deleted and wiped from Wikipedia, then it's obviously a non-argument. However, since the railway station article isn't going anywhere, the title would need to exist anyway, so you might as well have just redirected and if someone reverted you with a similarly weak argument like "They're different topics", AFD would be the place to come, and "useless content fork" is actually a strong argument if what you're looking for is a redirect.
All that being said, you seem to be retracting your initial !vote, so is it safe close this as "speedy keep"?
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
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