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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 10:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
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NN medical trial - it's basically the details for the trial linked in the EL, but had to have been put up by someone with access to the details, as they're not available to non-healthcare professionals at the source provided. I also cannot find a report in The Lancet (UK Oncology Journal) that appears to relate to this particular study, even with the principal researcher's name on it. MSJapan ( talk) 00:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I've added the Lancet Oncology piece to the article. So far I am seeing a number of reliable but primary papers on the topic; nothing yet WP:MEDRS-worthy. -- Mark viking ( talk) 03:47, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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- delete WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Jytdog ( talk) 15:33, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Undecided- [1], [2], [3], [4] indicate to me that the topic meets WP:GNG. I'm gathering that a different notability criteria is applied for medical topics. Someone please teach me about this. ~ Kvng ( talk) 21:31, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- For notability purposes, I don't think there are different criteria for the med folk. We need independent RS. I think the sources you link to are likely reliable peer-reviewed publications, but not independent of those conducting the trial. I guess I was using "primary" to mean "not independent", which isn't quite right. Sorry about the confusion. Anyway, we need RS from other than the group conducting the trial. --
Mark viking (
talk) 00:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- OK, so you're saying that although the sources currently cited may be published by a
reliable source, they are not
independent and so the
golden rule is not satisfied here. ~
Kvng (
talk) 16:19, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- That is correct. -- Mark viking ( talk) 23:18, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- OK, so you're saying that although the sources currently cited may be published by a
reliable source, they are not
independent and so the
golden rule is not satisfied here. ~
Kvng (
talk) 16:19, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- For notability purposes, I don't think there are different criteria for the med folk. We need independent RS. I think the sources you link to are likely reliable peer-reviewed publications, but not independent of those conducting the trial. I guess I was using "primary" to mean "not independent", which isn't quite right. Sorry about the confusion. Anyway, we need RS from other than the group conducting the trial. --
Mark viking (
talk) 00:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Unable to find any WP:INDEPENDENT coverage. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:27, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 10:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
CHHIP
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NN medical trial - it's basically the details for the trial linked in the EL, but had to have been put up by someone with access to the details, as they're not available to non-healthcare professionals at the source provided. I also cannot find a report in The Lancet (UK Oncology Journal) that appears to relate to this particular study, even with the principal researcher's name on it. MSJapan ( talk) 00:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I've added the Lancet Oncology piece to the article. So far I am seeing a number of reliable but primary papers on the topic; nothing yet WP:MEDRS-worthy. -- Mark viking ( talk) 03:47, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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- delete WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Jytdog ( talk) 15:33, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Undecided- [1], [2], [3], [4] indicate to me that the topic meets WP:GNG. I'm gathering that a different notability criteria is applied for medical topics. Someone please teach me about this. ~ Kvng ( talk) 21:31, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- For notability purposes, I don't think there are different criteria for the med folk. We need independent RS. I think the sources you link to are likely reliable peer-reviewed publications, but not independent of those conducting the trial. I guess I was using "primary" to mean "not independent", which isn't quite right. Sorry about the confusion. Anyway, we need RS from other than the group conducting the trial. --
Mark viking (
talk) 00:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- OK, so you're saying that although the sources currently cited may be published by a
reliable source, they are not
independent and so the
golden rule is not satisfied here. ~
Kvng (
talk) 16:19, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- That is correct. -- Mark viking ( talk) 23:18, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- OK, so you're saying that although the sources currently cited may be published by a
reliable source, they are not
independent and so the
golden rule is not satisfied here. ~
Kvng (
talk) 16:19, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- For notability purposes, I don't think there are different criteria for the med folk. We need independent RS. I think the sources you link to are likely reliable peer-reviewed publications, but not independent of those conducting the trial. I guess I was using "primary" to mean "not independent", which isn't quite right. Sorry about the confusion. Anyway, we need RS from other than the group conducting the trial. --
Mark viking (
talk) 00:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Unable to find any WP:INDEPENDENT coverage. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:27, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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