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A while ago, there was a big bundled nom at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allen Shop Corner, Virginia. It has been found that most of these "corners" in Virginia represent either old boundary markers or named road junctions.
There are many of these "corners" for Stafford County, and searching suggested that only one Holly Corner, Virginia is a legitimate subject. The others are all mass-produced stubs from a questionable database.
- Cox Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Davis Corner, Stafford County, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Dodds Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Fines Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Fritters Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- McCarthys Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Moores Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Paynes Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Skidmore Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Stones Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Wallaces Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Wildcat Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Hog Farm Talk 01:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 01:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 01:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I do not believe these are notable. A search only gives profile and database-type sources, which are insufficient for notability. If they have many reliable sources that are independent (unlike databases or profiles), then some can stay. Feel free to disagree, as I am new to AFD. aeschylus ( talk) 02:23, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy delete all The prior AFD was wrongly closed. Reywas92 Talk 17:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- This is a better size than the last. These are not places. These are the corners of the boundaries around places. I was hoping to find at least something that directly states these to be the survey corners that they undoubtedly are, but with one exception I couldn't even find that much.
From inspection of the map, Wallace's corner is obviously such a survey corner, being one corner of the land area next to Wallace Farms Lane that is marked "Wallace Farms" in the map beneath the pin on Bing Maps. Wallace Farms turns out to have a housing association. McCarthy's corner being on the corner formed by a McCarty Road is similarly indicative of a survey corner of some piece of land once owned by a McCarty. U.S. Civil War records for the Fredericksburg National Cemetery (locatable with Google Books) do indeed list people dying at a McCarty's Farm in Stafford county.
I had high hopes of demonstrating survey corners with Wildcat and Butzner corners, which are two corners of a single roughly triangular piece of land. But the big news is Fines corner.
Fines corner is on the corner of a land area running into the interior of which there is a Fines Lane, which just looks like a lane to an erstwhile farmhouse. So there's probably something named Fines Farm whose land this is one corner of. And there is! And it's in the history books. The Arcadia book ISBN 9780738518480 pages 36–37 places Chinn Farm on the south side of White Oak Road "across from Fines Farm" and the White Oak Museum. The White Oak Museum is at another corner of the very same area, on the north side of White Oak Road, with Fines corner and Fines Lane. Neither of these two farms are notable, not being documented in depth in the Arcadia history book or otherwise that I can find. The Fredericksburg National Cemetery records do list people dying at Chinn's Farm, too, though. And indeed at a Wallace's Farm in Stafford county. Fines Corner being one corner of the boundary to Fines Farm is indicative.
So the claims of "unincorporated community" are all unsupported, having no sources and clearly not the case from map inspection, and in at least one case one can find the actual erstwhile farm whose survey boundary corner is claimed to be an "unincorporated community", with other farms listed in Civil War records. These are the corners of the boundaries of a bunch of 19th century farms.
Uncle G ( talk) 22:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- More GNIS rubbish problems that I found whilst researching all these, just in case someone is interested:
- Aquia, Virginia — This is a district of Stafford county, that used to be spelled Acquia, not an "unincorporated community". Not to be confused with Aquia Harbour, Virginia.
- Garrisonville, Virginia — This is another of the county's districts, not an "unincorporated community".
- Hartwood, Virginia — a third district
- White Oak, Virginia — White Oak Church and the White Oak Museum (neé White Oak Elementary School) exist, as does the White Oak Run (which is a stream), but it's hard to find an actual "unincorporated community". The district is George Washington district.
- Holly Corner, Virginia — a U.S. Federal Highways Administration source gives the actual community as Holly Corner Estates. We don't have the slightly more notable Eagle Mine of Stafford County that was there, worked by the Rappahannock Gold Mining company and shut down by the Civil War, although most sources treat this as a blanket subject of gold mining in Stafford County, Virginia, our article of course mentioning neither gold nor mines at all. The Monroe Mine next to it matches up with Monroe Farm that Holly Corner is at a corner of.
- Uncle G ( talk) 00:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- More GNIS rubbish problems that I found whilst researching all these, just in case someone is interested:
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 01:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Butzner Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
A while ago, there was a big bundled nom at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allen Shop Corner, Virginia. It has been found that most of these "corners" in Virginia represent either old boundary markers or named road junctions.
There are many of these "corners" for Stafford County, and searching suggested that only one Holly Corner, Virginia is a legitimate subject. The others are all mass-produced stubs from a questionable database.
- Cox Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Davis Corner, Stafford County, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Dodds Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Fines Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Fritters Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- McCarthys Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Moores Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Paynes Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Skidmore Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Stones Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Wallaces Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Wildcat Corner, Virginia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Hog Farm Talk 01:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 01:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 01:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I do not believe these are notable. A search only gives profile and database-type sources, which are insufficient for notability. If they have many reliable sources that are independent (unlike databases or profiles), then some can stay. Feel free to disagree, as I am new to AFD. aeschylus ( talk) 02:23, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy delete all The prior AFD was wrongly closed. Reywas92 Talk 17:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- This is a better size than the last. These are not places. These are the corners of the boundaries around places. I was hoping to find at least something that directly states these to be the survey corners that they undoubtedly are, but with one exception I couldn't even find that much.
From inspection of the map, Wallace's corner is obviously such a survey corner, being one corner of the land area next to Wallace Farms Lane that is marked "Wallace Farms" in the map beneath the pin on Bing Maps. Wallace Farms turns out to have a housing association. McCarthy's corner being on the corner formed by a McCarty Road is similarly indicative of a survey corner of some piece of land once owned by a McCarty. U.S. Civil War records for the Fredericksburg National Cemetery (locatable with Google Books) do indeed list people dying at a McCarty's Farm in Stafford county.
I had high hopes of demonstrating survey corners with Wildcat and Butzner corners, which are two corners of a single roughly triangular piece of land. But the big news is Fines corner.
Fines corner is on the corner of a land area running into the interior of which there is a Fines Lane, which just looks like a lane to an erstwhile farmhouse. So there's probably something named Fines Farm whose land this is one corner of. And there is! And it's in the history books. The Arcadia book ISBN 9780738518480 pages 36–37 places Chinn Farm on the south side of White Oak Road "across from Fines Farm" and the White Oak Museum. The White Oak Museum is at another corner of the very same area, on the north side of White Oak Road, with Fines corner and Fines Lane. Neither of these two farms are notable, not being documented in depth in the Arcadia history book or otherwise that I can find. The Fredericksburg National Cemetery records do list people dying at Chinn's Farm, too, though. And indeed at a Wallace's Farm in Stafford county. Fines Corner being one corner of the boundary to Fines Farm is indicative.
So the claims of "unincorporated community" are all unsupported, having no sources and clearly not the case from map inspection, and in at least one case one can find the actual erstwhile farm whose survey boundary corner is claimed to be an "unincorporated community", with other farms listed in Civil War records. These are the corners of the boundaries of a bunch of 19th century farms.
Uncle G ( talk) 22:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- More GNIS rubbish problems that I found whilst researching all these, just in case someone is interested:
- Aquia, Virginia — This is a district of Stafford county, that used to be spelled Acquia, not an "unincorporated community". Not to be confused with Aquia Harbour, Virginia.
- Garrisonville, Virginia — This is another of the county's districts, not an "unincorporated community".
- Hartwood, Virginia — a third district
- White Oak, Virginia — White Oak Church and the White Oak Museum (neé White Oak Elementary School) exist, as does the White Oak Run (which is a stream), but it's hard to find an actual "unincorporated community". The district is George Washington district.
- Holly Corner, Virginia — a U.S. Federal Highways Administration source gives the actual community as Holly Corner Estates. We don't have the slightly more notable Eagle Mine of Stafford County that was there, worked by the Rappahannock Gold Mining company and shut down by the Civil War, although most sources treat this as a blanket subject of gold mining in Stafford County, Virginia, our article of course mentioning neither gold nor mines at all. The Monroe Mine next to it matches up with Monroe Farm that Holly Corner is at a corner of.
- Uncle G ( talk) 00:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- More GNIS rubbish problems that I found whilst researching all these, just in case someone is interested:
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.