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The result was merge to Sean Turnell. Liz Read! Talk! 22:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Burma Economic Watch
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Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Of the 4 sources currently in the article, 3 are just in-passing mentions and 1 goes to a login page on the website of the university that publishes this journal. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG, hence: delete. Randykitty ( talk) 08:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academic journals and Myanmar. Randykitty ( talk) 08:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not indexed in selective databases; none of the sources in the article provide SIGCOV. No sources turn up in a quick search myself. WJ94 ( talk) 10:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to Macquarie University. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 11:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Merging what to all appearances is a very minor publication to the article on the university may well be UNDUE... --
Randykitty (
talk) 13:56, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with Randykitty that merging content about a non-notable journal to our main article on Macquarie University would constitute WP:UNDUE coverage. WJ94 ( talk)
- Merging what to all appearances is a very minor publication to the article on the university may well be UNDUE... --
Randykitty (
talk) 13:56, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 13:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to
Sean Turnell (with a very brief mention of both the group and the bulletin). I agree that this seems to be "a very minor publication", and not in se worth an article. On the other hand, Sean Turnell indeed is noteworthy - but probably more for his imprisonment after the coup d'état than for either his academic work or his brief rôle as an economic policy advisor to
Aung San Suu Kyi. (However, I see that our article about Turnell was started under his time as advisor, whence that activity probably should be regarded as more noteworthy than just the academic work.) However, these three sides of Turnell's life are related. The fact that he initiated the group Burma Economic Watch, and was (and is?) a coeditor of the academic bulletin with the same name, and that it was in their rôles as editors of this BEW that he and Alison Vicary urged continuing economic reprisals against the military leadership in Myanmar during the previous open military rule is somewhat relevant, I think, both for why Suu Kyi chose him as advisor, and why the present
junta had him imprisoned.
Thus, IMHO, a brief mention in one or two sentences and some of the references from the present Burma Economic Watch article indeed would improve the Turnell article. JoergenB ( talk) 20:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC) - Merge to Sean Turnell. I agree with JoergenB's reasoning; this does not appear to be independently notable, but Turnell is closely enough connected to make a good merge target. I have added neutrally-worded notifications to Talk:Macquarie University and Talk:Sean Turnell as I think should be a required part of the process whenever a merge is considered at an AfD. To do otherwise risks getting two conflicting local consensuses at the AfD and the merge target. — David Eppstein ( talk) 20:46, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was merge to Sean Turnell. Liz Read! Talk! 22:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Burma Economic Watch
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Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Of the 4 sources currently in the article, 3 are just in-passing mentions and 1 goes to a login page on the website of the university that publishes this journal. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG, hence: delete. Randykitty ( talk) 08:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academic journals and Myanmar. Randykitty ( talk) 08:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not indexed in selective databases; none of the sources in the article provide SIGCOV. No sources turn up in a quick search myself. WJ94 ( talk) 10:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to Macquarie University. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 11:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Merging what to all appearances is a very minor publication to the article on the university may well be UNDUE... --
Randykitty (
talk) 13:56, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with Randykitty that merging content about a non-notable journal to our main article on Macquarie University would constitute WP:UNDUE coverage. WJ94 ( talk)
- Merging what to all appearances is a very minor publication to the article on the university may well be UNDUE... --
Randykitty (
talk) 13:56, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 13:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to
Sean Turnell (with a very brief mention of both the group and the bulletin). I agree that this seems to be "a very minor publication", and not in se worth an article. On the other hand, Sean Turnell indeed is noteworthy - but probably more for his imprisonment after the coup d'état than for either his academic work or his brief rôle as an economic policy advisor to
Aung San Suu Kyi. (However, I see that our article about Turnell was started under his time as advisor, whence that activity probably should be regarded as more noteworthy than just the academic work.) However, these three sides of Turnell's life are related. The fact that he initiated the group Burma Economic Watch, and was (and is?) a coeditor of the academic bulletin with the same name, and that it was in their rôles as editors of this BEW that he and Alison Vicary urged continuing economic reprisals against the military leadership in Myanmar during the previous open military rule is somewhat relevant, I think, both for why Suu Kyi chose him as advisor, and why the present
junta had him imprisoned.
Thus, IMHO, a brief mention in one or two sentences and some of the references from the present Burma Economic Watch article indeed would improve the Turnell article. JoergenB ( talk) 20:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC) - Merge to Sean Turnell. I agree with JoergenB's reasoning; this does not appear to be independently notable, but Turnell is closely enough connected to make a good merge target. I have added neutrally-worded notifications to Talk:Macquarie University and Talk:Sean Turnell as I think should be a required part of the process whenever a merge is considered at an AfD. To do otherwise risks getting two conflicting local consensuses at the AfD and the merge target. — David Eppstein ( talk) 20:46, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.