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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 23:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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This one is a bit borderline. It's definitely used as a placename: there's a local farm and a restaurant referencing it as such. From what I can see, it has always been just a crossroads which has marked the western edge of the Woodland town/city area, to the point where there literally is sprawl on the east side of the road and farms on the west. Topos go back a long way here, and what they show is a single building that gradually grows into few, anchoring the west end of strip development, the latter having been overwhelmed itself by the growing metro area. What I cannot see is any sense that this was ever thought of as a separate town; GHits are surprisingly thin, and inevitably refer to establish a location rather than to describe it, and the name goes back to the earliest topos. Just not seeing the notability. Mangoe ( talk) 19:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

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Please see the warning on your talk page [1]. Your behaviour is disruptive.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep for now (as I want to avoid a hasty deletion), but perhaps the article might have to be updated with explanation about the historical context. From the available information, Brown's corner seems to have existed as a community just outside the Woodlands city. It had a few businesses (Example, in this clipping from 1930s, [2], there is a service station here). I found this pdf from sba.gov [3] where Brown's Corner seems to be treated separately from Woodlands city. I found additional mentions here which shows it is often referred to as a place (or at least used to be done so historically) [4], [5], [6]. Ultimately, the area around a particular intersection was known as Brown's corner, but it is not known whether it qualified as a populated place (although USGS terms it as such).-- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC) reply
I found another result [7] There have been several wineries in or near Woodland. The oldest, appropriately enough, named the Woodland Winery ,was located at Second and Court streets and was established in 1866 by David Barnes...In 1869 two French winemakers,Eli Lallemond and Benjamin Mendessc with a strange lack of originality in nomenclature, built at Brown's Corner,a mile west of town,"Woodland Winery Number Two".. It seems like this place has existed for a long time and was "a mile west of town". I am in favour of not deleting this article. Whether we can merge it or transform it appropriately is something we can discuss on the talk page.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC) reply
One more [8] from 1933 Beginning at Brown's Corner , approximately one mile 7 north of the west boundary of the city of Woodland -- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:37, 15 February 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete No evidence this is anything other than the name of the road junction. Newspapers refer to e.g. "...ranch one quarter mile north of Browns Corners" etc. Notably it's listed as a polling place for West Woodland in the 1898 general election without further specificity, alongside other point locations such as Dick's Restaurant, Odd Fellows Hall and the George Green building. If it was a settlement the polling place location would have been somewhere in Browns Corners, rather than the location itself.---- Pontificalibus 08:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Agree with Pontificalibus. I've looked through all of the sources, and the fact that these are only mentions, not descriptions, indicate that this probably wasn't a settlement. This further calls Brown's Corner an area a single person owned where he had a filling station and wanted to build a public campground. No indication this is a community, and as a vague place, this doesn't meet WP:GEOLAND. Hog Farm Talk 15:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: DreamLinker has done good work, but it does seem like this is a crossroads, i.e., a point of reference, a location and spot known to people, and never really was treated as a community. Alas, at least one can still get a "Browns Corner Burger" at the Browns Corner Bar and Grill. [9] I'll take mine medium.-- Milowent has spoken 22:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 23:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Browns Corner, California (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
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This one is a bit borderline. It's definitely used as a placename: there's a local farm and a restaurant referencing it as such. From what I can see, it has always been just a crossroads which has marked the western edge of the Woodland town/city area, to the point where there literally is sprawl on the east side of the road and farms on the west. Topos go back a long way here, and what they show is a single building that gradually grows into few, anchoring the west end of strip development, the latter having been overwhelmed itself by the growing metro area. What I cannot see is any sense that this was ever thought of as a separate town; GHits are surprisingly thin, and inevitably refer to establish a location rather than to describe it, and the name goes back to the earliest topos. Just not seeing the notability. Mangoe ( talk) 19:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:42, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:42, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 22:15, 8 February 2021 (UTC) reply
Please see the warning on your talk page [1]. Your behaviour is disruptive.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep for now (as I want to avoid a hasty deletion), but perhaps the article might have to be updated with explanation about the historical context. From the available information, Brown's corner seems to have existed as a community just outside the Woodlands city. It had a few businesses (Example, in this clipping from 1930s, [2], there is a service station here). I found this pdf from sba.gov [3] where Brown's Corner seems to be treated separately from Woodlands city. I found additional mentions here which shows it is often referred to as a place (or at least used to be done so historically) [4], [5], [6]. Ultimately, the area around a particular intersection was known as Brown's corner, but it is not known whether it qualified as a populated place (although USGS terms it as such).-- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC) reply
I found another result [7] There have been several wineries in or near Woodland. The oldest, appropriately enough, named the Woodland Winery ,was located at Second and Court streets and was established in 1866 by David Barnes...In 1869 two French winemakers,Eli Lallemond and Benjamin Mendessc with a strange lack of originality in nomenclature, built at Brown's Corner,a mile west of town,"Woodland Winery Number Two".. It seems like this place has existed for a long time and was "a mile west of town". I am in favour of not deleting this article. Whether we can merge it or transform it appropriately is something we can discuss on the talk page.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC) reply
One more [8] from 1933 Beginning at Brown's Corner , approximately one mile 7 north of the west boundary of the city of Woodland -- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:37, 15 February 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Does anybody else agree with DreamLinker?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One last go. Is it a placename, or a community?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ♠ PMC(talk) 05:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete No evidence this is anything other than the name of the road junction. Newspapers refer to e.g. "...ranch one quarter mile north of Browns Corners" etc. Notably it's listed as a polling place for West Woodland in the 1898 general election without further specificity, alongside other point locations such as Dick's Restaurant, Odd Fellows Hall and the George Green building. If it was a settlement the polling place location would have been somewhere in Browns Corners, rather than the location itself.---- Pontificalibus 08:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Agree with Pontificalibus. I've looked through all of the sources, and the fact that these are only mentions, not descriptions, indicate that this probably wasn't a settlement. This further calls Brown's Corner an area a single person owned where he had a filling station and wanted to build a public campground. No indication this is a community, and as a vague place, this doesn't meet WP:GEOLAND. Hog Farm Talk 15:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: DreamLinker has done good work, but it does seem like this is a crossroads, i.e., a point of reference, a location and spot known to people, and never really was treated as a community. Alas, at least one can still get a "Browns Corner Burger" at the Browns Corner Bar and Grill. [9] I'll take mine medium.-- Milowent has spoken 22:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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