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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 20:56, 5 October 2019 (UTC) reply

Brody Neuenschwander

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While accomplished, doesn't meet WP:GNG or any of the SNG's Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:16, 21 September 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. XOR'easter ( talk) 03:18, 21 September 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. XOR'easter ( talk) 03:18, 21 September 2019 (UTC) reply

• Comment I contested the prod on the suspicion that he could well be wiki-notable through his association with Peter Greenaway, a connection in which he is often mentioned [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. Unfortunately, a substantial amount of the news coverage is not in English (he lives in Flanders, from what I can tell) [11] [12] [13] (and an entertaining mention here). At the moment, I think there's enough to write an article upon, though perhaps not a very long one. XOR'easter ( talk) 03:47, 21 September 2019 (UTC) reply

  And remember that notability is not inherited. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC) reply

  I'm not saying that notability would be "inherited"; I'm saying that there's a good case he is notable for work done in a well-documented collaboration with someone who is also notable. XOR'easter ( talk) 02:32, 22 September 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete Ignoring the Greenaway coverage, other coverage appears to be minor or trivial. The article has been puffed up. For example I corrected the statement "he was appointed Princeton University's University Scholar" to something that more closely reflects reality: he was named a university scholar while he studied there. I can't really find much about him other than he is a reasonably successful calligrapher. My conclusions match the nomination exactly:While accomplished, doesn't meet WP:GNG or any of the SNG's. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 02:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC) reply
• Keep - There is a lot of material out there on this artist. Yes the tone and content of the article can be improved, as can the references, but that is not cause for deletion. Calligraphy is a niche area of the arts, and it seems that he has been called a "master" for contributions that have moved the field forward from the traditional craft to innovative architectural installations and other experimental large-scale calligraphic installations. His work with Greenaway have been multiple collaborations, he is not simply notable-by-association. His career is based in Europe, and he has shown in museums there: Museum Correr Fondazione Musei Civici di Venezia, the Contemporary Museum of Calligraphy in Moscow, is in the permanent collection of the Berlin Calligraphy Collection of the Akademie der Kunste, and has been the subject of a 163-page monograph, Textasy: The Work of Brody Neuenschwander ISBN 9077362592. He clearly meets WP:NARTIST. Netherzone ( talk) 21:23, 23 September 2019 (UTC) reply

There might be a lot of mentions but there is not a lot of critical coverage. The shows are nice but a review would be the convincing document. (PS also see List of calligraphers.) ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 22:53, 23 September 2019 (UTC) reply

I understand your concern re: critical coverage, ThatMontrealIP, and you are right, however as a niche genre one wonders if calligraphy critics exist. He is mentioned in a number of books including "Artist & Alphabet: Twentieth Century Calligraphy and Letter Art in America" and others. I respect your opinion but my !vote remains keep, at least for now. Netherzone ( talk) 00:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC) reply

• Keep Between what I found in my search and what Netherzone wrote, I'm persuaded. XOR'easter ( talk) 22:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC) reply

• Keep, I agree with Netherzone that there is enough coverage about him Alex-h ( talk) 10:42, 2 October 2019 (UTC) reply
• Week keep: borderline, but scrapes by on GNG & WP:ARTIST. K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:14, 5 October 2019 (UTC) reply
• Keep per WP:NARTIST. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:10, 5 October 2019 (UTC) reply

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