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The result was redirect to Nina Sky. Can come back if events change Spartaz Humbug! 04:56, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Brightest Gold
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This album was described as "coming soon" in substantial and reliable articles from the likes of Billboard and Fader (already cited in the article), but then nothing happened. The infobox says it was released it 2017 and the artist template says 2016, but neither is actually true. I can find no sources discussing the album, coming soon or otherwise, since mid-2016. The release is apparently in long-term limbo and here it's at least a WP:CRYSTAL violation. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 13:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 13:40, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - It's not really a WP:CRYSTAL issue just when an album is delayed without a new release date. If its not released, then yes, the years of released should definitely be removed, but it's not a CRYSTAL issue if the EP has been officially announced, and there's reliable sourcing discussing and verifying this. This is doubly so when you're getting such high level, mainstream coverage as Billboard. My only concern here is whether or not it meets the WP:GNG currently. Its getting reliable source coverage, but it's mostly passing mentions - the EP doesn't seem to be discussed much itself.
- https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/7416465/nina-sky-champion-lover-lyric-video-brightest-gold-album
- http://thesource.com/2016/07/05/listen-nina-sky-drops-tropical-infused-champion-lover/
- http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/celebrities/article78824147.html
- https://www.vibe.com/2015/06/nina-sky-forever/
- https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nina-skys-new-song-is-proof-theyve-only-gotten-cooler-since-2004_us_57727961e4b017b379f74360
- There's more too, but they're basically all the same - mostly just consisting of a single sentence saying something to the capacity of "X is a song off of Brightest Gold, their upcoming EP." Probably leaning redirect unless someone finds some more in-depth sources...
Sergecross73
msg me 13:55, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Response - I don't wish to nitpick over definitions. While
WP:CRYSTAL is mostly about future events, I was thinking of criteria #5: "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors." An album is a product. You found several "coming soon" announcements for the album, which I also found during my research, but I will repeat that the most recent is from two years ago. A redirect would indeed make sense unless the album has been deemed unreleaseable by someone in the biz. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs) 14:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Right, but the sources were not reporting on rumors, nor were they mere press releases. Reliable sources wrote full-fledged articles here. It's just that said articles focused more on the artist or the songs than the EP itself. Anyways, as you say, regardless of of our different interpretations, we both seem to be coming to the same ultimate conclusion - redirect. Sergecross73 msg me 14:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Response - I don't wish to nitpick over definitions. While
WP:CRYSTAL is mostly about future events, I was thinking of criteria #5: "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors." An album is a product. You found several "coming soon" announcements for the album, which I also found during my research, but I will repeat that the most recent is from two years ago. A redirect would indeed make sense unless the album has been deemed unreleaseable by someone in the biz. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs) 14:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect with history - Redirect with history to Nina Sky, due to no release date nor complete track listing. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 15:15, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Nina Sky. Can come back if events change Spartaz Humbug! 04:56, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Brightest Gold
- Brightest Gold ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This album was described as "coming soon" in substantial and reliable articles from the likes of Billboard and Fader (already cited in the article), but then nothing happened. The infobox says it was released it 2017 and the artist template says 2016, but neither is actually true. I can find no sources discussing the album, coming soon or otherwise, since mid-2016. The release is apparently in long-term limbo and here it's at least a WP:CRYSTAL violation. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 13:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 13:40, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - It's not really a WP:CRYSTAL issue just when an album is delayed without a new release date. If its not released, then yes, the years of released should definitely be removed, but it's not a CRYSTAL issue if the EP has been officially announced, and there's reliable sourcing discussing and verifying this. This is doubly so when you're getting such high level, mainstream coverage as Billboard. My only concern here is whether or not it meets the WP:GNG currently. Its getting reliable source coverage, but it's mostly passing mentions - the EP doesn't seem to be discussed much itself.
- https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/7416465/nina-sky-champion-lover-lyric-video-brightest-gold-album
- http://thesource.com/2016/07/05/listen-nina-sky-drops-tropical-infused-champion-lover/
- http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/celebrities/article78824147.html
- https://www.vibe.com/2015/06/nina-sky-forever/
- https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nina-skys-new-song-is-proof-theyve-only-gotten-cooler-since-2004_us_57727961e4b017b379f74360
- There's more too, but they're basically all the same - mostly just consisting of a single sentence saying something to the capacity of "X is a song off of Brightest Gold, their upcoming EP." Probably leaning redirect unless someone finds some more in-depth sources...
Sergecross73
msg me 13:55, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Response - I don't wish to nitpick over definitions. While
WP:CRYSTAL is mostly about future events, I was thinking of criteria #5: "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors." An album is a product. You found several "coming soon" announcements for the album, which I also found during my research, but I will repeat that the most recent is from two years ago. A redirect would indeed make sense unless the album has been deemed unreleaseable by someone in the biz. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs) 14:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Right, but the sources were not reporting on rumors, nor were they mere press releases. Reliable sources wrote full-fledged articles here. It's just that said articles focused more on the artist or the songs than the EP itself. Anyways, as you say, regardless of of our different interpretations, we both seem to be coming to the same ultimate conclusion - redirect. Sergecross73 msg me 14:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Response - I don't wish to nitpick over definitions. While
WP:CRYSTAL is mostly about future events, I was thinking of criteria #5: "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors." An album is a product. You found several "coming soon" announcements for the album, which I also found during my research, but I will repeat that the most recent is from two years ago. A redirect would indeed make sense unless the album has been deemed unreleaseable by someone in the biz. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs) 14:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect with history - Redirect with history to Nina Sky, due to no release date nor complete track listing. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 15:15, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.