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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 08:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Bone Lick, West Virginia

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This barely passes WP:V, let alone WP:GNG. The GNIS link no longer works, probably because of the purge of features marked as historical. Still, I cannot find coordinates for this location in the article or in GNIS mirrors such as Roadside Thoughts, so we don't even know where this site supposedly is. Searching old newspapers is just getting me references to Big Bone Lick State Park, and the only Bone Lick in Hamill Kenny's West Virginia Place Names is a stream that led to the name of Bone Creek, West Virginia (aka Auburn, West Virginia which is elsewhere in the state). The external link only provides a table with the name and the year 1935 for this site. All I have to verify existence here is this which verifies that a post office was opened there in 1933. I don't see any way that we could support an article on this subject. Hog Farm Talk 05:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Comment It is quite plausible that this creator was working in good faith, thinking that what they were contributing was within WP's interest. Their user page has been blanked and I fear that the user is no longer editing. Clearly a lot of work went into the many pages that were created. If this was a case of WP:BITE then that would be a shame. Lamona ( talk) 21:30, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply
  • GNIS record #1742682 ( https://www.topoquest.com/place-detail.php?id=1742682) used by the article creator has feature class "post office". So this is an "unincorporated community" falsehood from a source that explicitly said that this was a post office. Sadly, the source added by Djflem after the AFD nomination, supporting the idea that this is a "community", also explicitly says "postoffice" and "post office" and "post-master" in its first sentence, so that's being mis-used too. The fact that what is clearly a post-office is on a list of "towns" in a newspaper report of a historian that has been used in other articles to bolster "unincorporated community", along with the post-office opening date, does cast significant doubt upon the reliability of that newspaper article and either the historian's or the journalist's ability to distinguish post offices from towns, moreover. Uncle G ( talk) 06:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply
To clarify: the community generally agrees (as outlined in Wikipedia:Reliability of GNIS data), GNIS is mostly unreliable in its descriptions. So the claim that the place is a post office citing (GNIS record #1742682 ( https://www.topoquest.com/place-detail.php?id=1742682) cannot be trusted. Is this an exception?. Furthermore, an analysis of the sources Sibray, David (January 27, 2019). "Historian looks for patterns in vanishing town names". West Virginia Explorer. Retrieved March 21, 2022. and "Place Names in West Virginia". West Virginia Division of Culture and History: Archives and History. 2012. Retrieved March 21, 2022. reveals NO mention of a post office at all. The ONE that does ( "Bone Lick, WV". August 24, 1933. p. 1 – via newspapers.com.) discusses "...the establishment of a postoffice at Bone Lick...", where one sees, unsurprisingly, the words "postoffice" and "post office" and "post-master".
I think we can draw a conclusion here that there was a post office here from the GNIS record, since the name of the feature (GNIS is okay for names in most cases) is "Bone Lick Post Office". We can't draw conclusions about the presence/absence of anything else at the site from GNIS, but I think the presence of the post office is at least verified. Hog Farm Talk 19:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply
That jibes with the article about the announcement of the opening of a "postoffice at Bone Lick" (1933) and the date of the existence from the historical towns survey. Djflem ( talk) 19:38, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 08:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Bone Lick, West Virginia

Bone Lick, West Virginia (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This barely passes WP:V, let alone WP:GNG. The GNIS link no longer works, probably because of the purge of features marked as historical. Still, I cannot find coordinates for this location in the article or in GNIS mirrors such as Roadside Thoughts, so we don't even know where this site supposedly is. Searching old newspapers is just getting me references to Big Bone Lick State Park, and the only Bone Lick in Hamill Kenny's West Virginia Place Names is a stream that led to the name of Bone Creek, West Virginia (aka Auburn, West Virginia which is elsewhere in the state). The external link only provides a table with the name and the year 1935 for this site. All I have to verify existence here is this which verifies that a post office was opened there in 1933. I don't see any way that we could support an article on this subject. Hog Farm Talk 05:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Comment It is quite plausible that this creator was working in good faith, thinking that what they were contributing was within WP's interest. Their user page has been blanked and I fear that the user is no longer editing. Clearly a lot of work went into the many pages that were created. If this was a case of WP:BITE then that would be a shame. Lamona ( talk) 21:30, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply
  • GNIS record #1742682 ( https://www.topoquest.com/place-detail.php?id=1742682) used by the article creator has feature class "post office". So this is an "unincorporated community" falsehood from a source that explicitly said that this was a post office. Sadly, the source added by Djflem after the AFD nomination, supporting the idea that this is a "community", also explicitly says "postoffice" and "post office" and "post-master" in its first sentence, so that's being mis-used too. The fact that what is clearly a post-office is on a list of "towns" in a newspaper report of a historian that has been used in other articles to bolster "unincorporated community", along with the post-office opening date, does cast significant doubt upon the reliability of that newspaper article and either the historian's or the journalist's ability to distinguish post offices from towns, moreover. Uncle G ( talk) 06:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply
To clarify: the community generally agrees (as outlined in Wikipedia:Reliability of GNIS data), GNIS is mostly unreliable in its descriptions. So the claim that the place is a post office citing (GNIS record #1742682 ( https://www.topoquest.com/place-detail.php?id=1742682) cannot be trusted. Is this an exception?. Furthermore, an analysis of the sources Sibray, David (January 27, 2019). "Historian looks for patterns in vanishing town names". West Virginia Explorer. Retrieved March 21, 2022. and "Place Names in West Virginia". West Virginia Division of Culture and History: Archives and History. 2012. Retrieved March 21, 2022. reveals NO mention of a post office at all. The ONE that does ( "Bone Lick, WV". August 24, 1933. p. 1 – via newspapers.com.) discusses "...the establishment of a postoffice at Bone Lick...", where one sees, unsurprisingly, the words "postoffice" and "post office" and "post-master".
I think we can draw a conclusion here that there was a post office here from the GNIS record, since the name of the feature (GNIS is okay for names in most cases) is "Bone Lick Post Office". We can't draw conclusions about the presence/absence of anything else at the site from GNIS, but I think the presence of the post office is at least verified. Hog Farm Talk 19:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply
That jibes with the article about the announcement of the opening of a "postoffice at Bone Lick" (1933) and the date of the existence from the historical towns survey. Djflem ( talk) 19:38, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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