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The result was delete. Tone 15:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Bo Winegard
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Looks like WP:BLP1E at best, with all current sourcing referring primarily to Winegard's firing and the school's unwillingness to re-hire. The sources that do cover the one event don't appear to pass WP:BASIC (for a longer discussion, see: RSN discussion). In short, here are the three secondary sources-- Areo Magazine, The Washington Times, and The Crimson White-- and thoughts on why each fails WP:BASIC. Areo is written by an individual who says he is writing the piece in part "because Winegard and I have collaborated on a couple of papers," suggesting non-independence. Further, the publisher has been described by some wikiusers as a sort of left-leaning Quillette, with itself is considered unreliable for facts and typically WP:UNDUE. The Washington Times piece relies almost entirely on Winegard's blog and social media, suggesting it fails depth of coverage and independence. The Crimson White is a university newspaper, and so likely non-RS at the higher standards required for notability. Jlevi ( talk) 15:34, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete WP:BLP1E. Xxanthippe ( talk) 02:52, 26 April 2020 (UTC).
- Delete Not notable and the only thing that characterize him a bit is a controvert speech, which is not enough. -- AlejandroLeloirRey ( talk) 08:24, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment The firing is also in Inside Higher Ed [1], which I think is a RS. (I agree per nom that the sources currently in the article are not reliable.) His GS citations are non-trivial, although I'd vote delete per WP:TOOSOON in the absence of the firing coverage. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 11:04, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete not every person who receives coverage for controversy on their firing becomes notable. In this case even if we had an article, it should be named something like "removal of Bo Winegard controversy" because he is clearly not notable for anything else and is clearly not a notable academic. However, Wikipedia is not news, and the cutrrent controversy does not rise above news level. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per the nomination and the above "delete" !votes. I don't think there's a case for WP:PROF, either (unimpressive citation profile, even when bulked up by Google Scholar's including non-peer-reviewed material). XOR'easter ( talk) 18:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. The Inside Higher Ed piece on its own isn't enough for WP:SIGCOV, and the other sources are not reliable. I looked through the citations for his top-cited pubs in GS, and didn't see cause for concern — if he manages to continue his academic career, he might eventually make WP:NPROF. But we rarely keep assistant professors, and I don't see enough support for doing so here. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 18:30, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete WP:ACADEMIC fails. Ms4263nyu ( talk) 07:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The coverage by Inside Higher Ed (which is the news section of Chronicle for Higher Education) the major US source for news in higher education is sufficient. If the major national newspaper in the world covers the story, nothing more is needed. We could call it Removal of BW, as suggested above. If deleted, please userify to me, because I am quite sure that coverage will increase--I expect this to become one of the relatively rare cases the AAUP will endorse,
- More generally, ifwe do not have anarticle, then the available information will come from some publications that cannot be counted on to be objective. DGG ( talk ) 17:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete one in depth RS piece is not enough for notability either for the event or the person. Not every controversy deserves a WP article. If Winegard's research ever becomes notable the page can be recreated. b uidh e 01:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 15:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Bo Winegard
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Looks like WP:BLP1E at best, with all current sourcing referring primarily to Winegard's firing and the school's unwillingness to re-hire. The sources that do cover the one event don't appear to pass WP:BASIC (for a longer discussion, see: RSN discussion). In short, here are the three secondary sources-- Areo Magazine, The Washington Times, and The Crimson White-- and thoughts on why each fails WP:BASIC. Areo is written by an individual who says he is writing the piece in part "because Winegard and I have collaborated on a couple of papers," suggesting non-independence. Further, the publisher has been described by some wikiusers as a sort of left-leaning Quillette, with itself is considered unreliable for facts and typically WP:UNDUE. The Washington Times piece relies almost entirely on Winegard's blog and social media, suggesting it fails depth of coverage and independence. The Crimson White is a university newspaper, and so likely non-RS at the higher standards required for notability. Jlevi ( talk) 15:34, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 02:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete WP:BLP1E. Xxanthippe ( talk) 02:52, 26 April 2020 (UTC).
- Delete Not notable and the only thing that characterize him a bit is a controvert speech, which is not enough. -- AlejandroLeloirRey ( talk) 08:24, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment The firing is also in Inside Higher Ed [1], which I think is a RS. (I agree per nom that the sources currently in the article are not reliable.) His GS citations are non-trivial, although I'd vote delete per WP:TOOSOON in the absence of the firing coverage. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 11:04, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete not every person who receives coverage for controversy on their firing becomes notable. In this case even if we had an article, it should be named something like "removal of Bo Winegard controversy" because he is clearly not notable for anything else and is clearly not a notable academic. However, Wikipedia is not news, and the cutrrent controversy does not rise above news level. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per the nomination and the above "delete" !votes. I don't think there's a case for WP:PROF, either (unimpressive citation profile, even when bulked up by Google Scholar's including non-peer-reviewed material). XOR'easter ( talk) 18:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. The Inside Higher Ed piece on its own isn't enough for WP:SIGCOV, and the other sources are not reliable. I looked through the citations for his top-cited pubs in GS, and didn't see cause for concern — if he manages to continue his academic career, he might eventually make WP:NPROF. But we rarely keep assistant professors, and I don't see enough support for doing so here. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 18:30, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete WP:ACADEMIC fails. Ms4263nyu ( talk) 07:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The coverage by Inside Higher Ed (which is the news section of Chronicle for Higher Education) the major US source for news in higher education is sufficient. If the major national newspaper in the world covers the story, nothing more is needed. We could call it Removal of BW, as suggested above. If deleted, please userify to me, because I am quite sure that coverage will increase--I expect this to become one of the relatively rare cases the AAUP will endorse,
- More generally, ifwe do not have anarticle, then the available information will come from some publications that cannot be counted on to be objective. DGG ( talk ) 17:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete one in depth RS piece is not enough for notability either for the event or the person. Not every controversy deserves a WP article. If Winegard's research ever becomes notable the page can be recreated. b uidh e 01:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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