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The result was Keep. Michig ( talk) 07:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Big Baller Brand Challenge Games
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Minor, one-time, sporting event that does not rise to the required level of notability. Lepricavark ( talk) 04:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep The event has been heavily covered by just about every major sports website, including ESPN and CBSSports.com. Not going to post any links here, because there are simply too many out there. Its first game alone received over 1.5 million views on Facebook and future games will likely hit similar numbers. TempleM ( talk) 05:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- It might be OK to keep it, because it has gotten so much press. However, it is being dubbed as a "professional" event in US media, and that's not true. There is nothing professional about it. It's played with youth age amateur players, none of which are professionals.
Bluesangrel (
talk) 12:47, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Some of the teams participating are primarily made up of younger players, but multiple others have older players on their roster. All of them are considered professional, regardless of age, because they have signed an official contract with their respective club. TempleM ( talk) 22:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think it would make more sense to merge it with the main
Big Baller Brand article myself. The information is significant to the history and background of that company and its promotional efforts, but not noteworthy enough to have its own article.
Jsc1973 (
talk) 15:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- It would be WP:UNDUE to get into game details and boxscores at Big Baller Brand, so it would only be a partial merge. It would be better to merge into 2017–18 BC Prienai season if such an article existed. However, there are no other season articles for BC Prienai, so it's possible their seasons are not notable aside for the recent inclusion of the Ball brothers. I'm currently neutral on whether this subject is worthy of a standalone article with game-by-game details, but it's likely to receive continued coverage.— Bagumba ( talk) 16:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep this is a serious tournament with serious professional teams. As well it garners world wide attention. -- H-Hurry ( talk) 20:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep" Not only does it look to gain recognition for Lithuanian basketball in the U.S.A., but it also provides exposure on both the Ball brothers and other young talents that play in this tournament, like Rokas Jokubaitis or Regimantas Miniotas. Not to mention even if this ultimately does nothing for LiAngelo Ball's 2018 NBA Draft stock, it still provides potential support for LaMelo Ball when his draft comes up. I say let it stay! – AGreatPhoenixSunsFan ( talk) 01:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- For the record, neither LiAngelo or LaMelo is still eligible for any future NBA drafts. Both are now considered professionals. Also, you didn't provided a policy-based rationale. We have no obligation to provide support or exposure for these athletes.
Lepricavark (
talk) 02:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- One correction: they can still be drafted; plenty of guys get drafted after playing professionally overseas. You may be confusing NBA draft eligibility with NCAA eligibility.
Zagalejo
^^^ 14:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, Zagalejo is right on that aspect. I meant to include draft stock when first mentioning LiAngelo Ball in that aspect, but I guess that slipped my mind a bit there. That's a bit of my fault there, but that doesn't stop Zagalejo's point from being true all the same. – AGreatPhoenixSunsFan ( talk) 03:29, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Quite right. I had a massive brain cramp.
Lepricavark (
talk) 16:12, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed, but in fairness, I probably could have explained it more clearly on my end the first time aorund. – AGreatPhoenixSunsFan ( talk) 05:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- One correction: they can still be drafted; plenty of guys get drafted after playing professionally overseas. You may be confusing NBA draft eligibility with NCAA eligibility.
Zagalejo
^^^ 14:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- For the record, neither LiAngelo or LaMelo is still eligible for any future NBA drafts. Both are now considered professionals. Also, you didn't provided a policy-based rationale. We have no obligation to provide support or exposure for these athletes.
Lepricavark (
talk) 02:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Arguably meets the GNG. There's certainly a lot of media coverage. There are a lot of unusual aspects to this particular event -- it's a bit of an international circus -- and I think there's more than enough material available for a stand-alone article. Zagalejo ^^^ 14:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I created this page with the hopes that the community would aggregate the games and have them in one place and that has happened. If the issue is this being a "minor one time event", there are many of these in the football/soccer world with much less coverage that have a place. Thevandaley ( talk) 01:53, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Nomination seems to be based on a WP:IDONTLIKEIT stemming from a strong dislike for LaVar Ball and family. But that's not a reason to delete. As much as I hate to admit it, this is clearly notable. Smartyllama ( talk) 17:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Smartyllama: I don't know where you got that impression, but it certainly wasn't from the nomination. Lepricavark ( talk) 19:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
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The result was Keep. Michig ( talk) 07:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Big Baller Brand Challenge Games
- Big Baller Brand Challenge Games ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Minor, one-time, sporting event that does not rise to the required level of notability. Lepricavark ( talk) 04:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark ( talk) 04:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark ( talk) 04:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lithuania-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark ( talk) 04:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep The event has been heavily covered by just about every major sports website, including ESPN and CBSSports.com. Not going to post any links here, because there are simply too many out there. Its first game alone received over 1.5 million views on Facebook and future games will likely hit similar numbers. TempleM ( talk) 05:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- It might be OK to keep it, because it has gotten so much press. However, it is being dubbed as a "professional" event in US media, and that's not true. There is nothing professional about it. It's played with youth age amateur players, none of which are professionals.
Bluesangrel (
talk) 12:47, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Some of the teams participating are primarily made up of younger players, but multiple others have older players on their roster. All of them are considered professional, regardless of age, because they have signed an official contract with their respective club. TempleM ( talk) 22:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think it would make more sense to merge it with the main
Big Baller Brand article myself. The information is significant to the history and background of that company and its promotional efforts, but not noteworthy enough to have its own article.
Jsc1973 (
talk) 15:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- It would be WP:UNDUE to get into game details and boxscores at Big Baller Brand, so it would only be a partial merge. It would be better to merge into 2017–18 BC Prienai season if such an article existed. However, there are no other season articles for BC Prienai, so it's possible their seasons are not notable aside for the recent inclusion of the Ball brothers. I'm currently neutral on whether this subject is worthy of a standalone article with game-by-game details, but it's likely to receive continued coverage.— Bagumba ( talk) 16:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep this is a serious tournament with serious professional teams. As well it garners world wide attention. -- H-Hurry ( talk) 20:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep" Not only does it look to gain recognition for Lithuanian basketball in the U.S.A., but it also provides exposure on both the Ball brothers and other young talents that play in this tournament, like Rokas Jokubaitis or Regimantas Miniotas. Not to mention even if this ultimately does nothing for LiAngelo Ball's 2018 NBA Draft stock, it still provides potential support for LaMelo Ball when his draft comes up. I say let it stay! – AGreatPhoenixSunsFan ( talk) 01:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- For the record, neither LiAngelo or LaMelo is still eligible for any future NBA drafts. Both are now considered professionals. Also, you didn't provided a policy-based rationale. We have no obligation to provide support or exposure for these athletes.
Lepricavark (
talk) 02:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- One correction: they can still be drafted; plenty of guys get drafted after playing professionally overseas. You may be confusing NBA draft eligibility with NCAA eligibility.
Zagalejo
^^^ 14:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, Zagalejo is right on that aspect. I meant to include draft stock when first mentioning LiAngelo Ball in that aspect, but I guess that slipped my mind a bit there. That's a bit of my fault there, but that doesn't stop Zagalejo's point from being true all the same. – AGreatPhoenixSunsFan ( talk) 03:29, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Quite right. I had a massive brain cramp.
Lepricavark (
talk) 16:12, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed, but in fairness, I probably could have explained it more clearly on my end the first time aorund. – AGreatPhoenixSunsFan ( talk) 05:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- One correction: they can still be drafted; plenty of guys get drafted after playing professionally overseas. You may be confusing NBA draft eligibility with NCAA eligibility.
Zagalejo
^^^ 14:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- For the record, neither LiAngelo or LaMelo is still eligible for any future NBA drafts. Both are now considered professionals. Also, you didn't provided a policy-based rationale. We have no obligation to provide support or exposure for these athletes.
Lepricavark (
talk) 02:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Arguably meets the GNG. There's certainly a lot of media coverage. There are a lot of unusual aspects to this particular event -- it's a bit of an international circus -- and I think there's more than enough material available for a stand-alone article. Zagalejo ^^^ 14:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I created this page with the hopes that the community would aggregate the games and have them in one place and that has happened. If the issue is this being a "minor one time event", there are many of these in the football/soccer world with much less coverage that have a place. Thevandaley ( talk) 01:53, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Nomination seems to be based on a WP:IDONTLIKEIT stemming from a strong dislike for LaVar Ball and family. But that's not a reason to delete. As much as I hate to admit it, this is clearly notable. Smartyllama ( talk) 17:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Smartyllama: I don't know where you got that impression, but it certainly wasn't from the nomination. Lepricavark ( talk) 19:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.