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The result was keep. By strength of argument (sources provided have been unchallenged) indicates that GNG is met, although this article will need some guarding against COI editing, it appears. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 14:59, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Bethel Assembly of God Church
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The article is undersourced and relies on self-reported information about membership. It was nominated for deletion under WP:CSD#A7, but I declined the CSD as it does have at least a claim to notability ("one of the largest churches in India"). However as it stands the article is thin and needs more sourcing. I'm listing here to generate a wider discussion on whether this article should be deleted. The Mirror Cracked ( talk) 22:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. I nominated this through article triage for speedy deletion. One of the two sources is a lightweight travel guide site, the other is a little more serious but very niche. Neither substantiate the grandiose claims made in the article, particularly about the size of the congregation. Two of the editors are now blocked as socks and the article was previously deleted and then resurfaced courtesy of one of the socks. Assuming a generous interpretation, this looks like COI editing and at worst, paid editing. Notwithstanding the authorship, having only one possible RS and one very weak source is nowhere near the multiple RSs needed to establish notability. Fails WP:GNG Velella Velella Talk 23:38, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete the topic is not notable and fails GNG to have their own article on wiki.- Krishna's flute ( talk) 01:36, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete GNG fail. Puddleglum2.0 Have a talk? 03:14, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG thoroughly. Looks like COI editing. NNADIGOODLUCK ( Talk| Contribs) 05:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Retain Notable information about the Church is available in the media. it needs to be sourced well.
for eg: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/bengaluru-churches-issue-safety-instructions-to-worshippers/articleshow/69182876.cms https://www.news18.com/news/politics/evangelist-benny-hinns-visit-to-bangalore-rakes-up-controversy-660342.html https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/Blood-donation-camp/article14680982.ece
Someone can edit the article as this is a religious institution but a prominent one in the city of Bangalore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davemph ( talk • contribs) 05:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete There is a long standing history regarding the church's pastor and promotional editing and sock puppetry as well. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 18:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Potential keep -- A church with an attendance of 25000 (if true) ought to be notable. If so, it ought to be possible to find WP:RS on it and to produce a viable article. Perhaps Davemph can find such and edit him himself. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:23, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment we have articles on Episcopal Church dioceses with total membership (which is higher than even annual attendance) well under 10,000. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:59, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Weak keep - there's some evidence from reliable sources it's a big church - although sources differ from 5,000 to 25,000 attendees - I'm skeptical of the higher numbers- and a pilgrimage site. Bearian ( talk) 20:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as per the sources identified here by Davemph and Bearian it seems to have a claim to pass WP:GNG as is but there are probably more sources offline imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
- Weak keep The article is not supported by RS that can be found in the media. Alex-h ( talk) 16:05, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep This is more commonly known as "Bethel AG Church" locally (I'm from Bangalore). You may find some coverage under this name, like [1], and possibly more in print sources. Dee 03 20:59, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. By strength of argument (sources provided have been unchallenged) indicates that GNG is met, although this article will need some guarding against COI editing, it appears. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 14:59, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Bethel Assembly of God Church
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The article is undersourced and relies on self-reported information about membership. It was nominated for deletion under WP:CSD#A7, but I declined the CSD as it does have at least a claim to notability ("one of the largest churches in India"). However as it stands the article is thin and needs more sourcing. I'm listing here to generate a wider discussion on whether this article should be deleted. The Mirror Cracked ( talk) 22:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. The Mirror Cracked ( talk) 22:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. The Mirror Cracked ( talk) 22:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. I nominated this through article triage for speedy deletion. One of the two sources is a lightweight travel guide site, the other is a little more serious but very niche. Neither substantiate the grandiose claims made in the article, particularly about the size of the congregation. Two of the editors are now blocked as socks and the article was previously deleted and then resurfaced courtesy of one of the socks. Assuming a generous interpretation, this looks like COI editing and at worst, paid editing. Notwithstanding the authorship, having only one possible RS and one very weak source is nowhere near the multiple RSs needed to establish notability. Fails WP:GNG Velella Velella Talk 23:38, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete the topic is not notable and fails GNG to have their own article on wiki.- Krishna's flute ( talk) 01:36, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete GNG fail. Puddleglum2.0 Have a talk? 03:14, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG thoroughly. Looks like COI editing. NNADIGOODLUCK ( Talk| Contribs) 05:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Retain Notable information about the Church is available in the media. it needs to be sourced well.
for eg: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/bengaluru-churches-issue-safety-instructions-to-worshippers/articleshow/69182876.cms https://www.news18.com/news/politics/evangelist-benny-hinns-visit-to-bangalore-rakes-up-controversy-660342.html https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/Blood-donation-camp/article14680982.ece
Someone can edit the article as this is a religious institution but a prominent one in the city of Bangalore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davemph ( talk • contribs) 05:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete There is a long standing history regarding the church's pastor and promotional editing and sock puppetry as well. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 18:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Potential keep -- A church with an attendance of 25000 (if true) ought to be notable. If so, it ought to be possible to find WP:RS on it and to produce a viable article. Perhaps Davemph can find such and edit him himself. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:23, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment we have articles on Episcopal Church dioceses with total membership (which is higher than even annual attendance) well under 10,000. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:59, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Weak keep - there's some evidence from reliable sources it's a big church - although sources differ from 5,000 to 25,000 attendees - I'm skeptical of the higher numbers- and a pilgrimage site. Bearian ( talk) 20:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as per the sources identified here by Davemph and Bearian it seems to have a claim to pass WP:GNG as is but there are probably more sources offline imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
- Weak keep The article is not supported by RS that can be found in the media. Alex-h ( talk) 16:05, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep This is more commonly known as "Bethel AG Church" locally (I'm from Bangalore). You may find some coverage under this name, like [1], and possibly more in print sources. Dee 03 20:59, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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